Yet Even More Questions Regarding Winter Deals

[Shroomz~>]

i understand that you don't understand what is sound and phase and music

www.ezsound.nl

ok and what ? do you call that music or sound ?...i really understand now thanks
we are not playing in the same category mr amateur.loop after loop...where is music there ? where is pro mixage...?do you call that musical arangement ?
i hope you are not serious :o

There are A LOT of people on this platform who make electronic music in many many different styles. Much of it is loop based & those guys are your potential customers too. Making a mock of loop-based electronic music is not a wise move imo.

[digitalaudiosoft]

There are A LOT of people on this platform who make electronic music in many many different styles. Much of it is loop based & those guys are your potential customers too. Making a mock of loop-based electronic music is not a wise move imo.

are so happy and proud to write this kind of post ...don't you understand that those members (who buys and not spoil das everyday in every post like you and your friends) those members buys good plugins and not eric from das ! they have to know that the only games is making you happy with all your thousand idiot post,is to write shit post on das ! and now, i have decided to write..
all of planetz have to understand how stupid you are,how jalous you are because we are on cw shop and we sell lots of plugs !
are you thinking that all our customers are stupid ? why don't you write that instead of "shiting" on me for fun ?

[Shroomz~>]

There are A LOT of people on this platform who make electronic music in many many different styles. Much of it is loop based & those guys are your potential customers too. Making a mock of loop-based electronic music is not a wise move imo.

are so happy and proud to write this kind of post ...don't you understand that those members (who buys and not spoil das everyday in every post like your and your friends) those members buys good plugins and not eric from das ! they have to know that the only games is making you happy with all your thousand idiot post,is to write shit post on das ! and now, i have decided to write..
all of planetz have to understand how stupid you are,how jalous you are because we are on cw shop and we sell lots of plugs !
are you thinking that all our customers are stupid ? why don't you write that instead of "shtiing" on me for fun ?

I was trying to hold a civilized conversation on what's quite a hot (popular) topic for discussion around here. I wasn't trying to be rude or nasty. Maybe there's a misunderstanding here.

[digitalaudiosoft]

I was trying to hold a civil conversation on what's quite a hot (popular) topic for discussion around here. I wasn't trying to be rude or nasty. Maybe there's a misunderstanding here.

yes of course like on all the other post....you don't make me laughing ...

about loop and electronic music,i respect all true musician who makes his own loop of course...like us ..but how many are using loop from cd ?

[hubird]

jeezzzz

[digitalaudiosoft]

5166 posts hubird ...good at 10 000 you win the iron couronne of planetz ...
maybe i'm too old to understand you...i will call my son,he is 17 ,maybe he could understand you....

[Shroomz~>]

about loop and electronic music,i respect all true musician who makes his own loop of course...like us ..but how many are using loop from cd ?

Actually for what it's worth, the list of successful modern musicians, bands & producers making electronic music who've used samples & loops from CDs is massive. Some of the best producers in the music industry use other peoples' loops as there are no boundaries to adhere to.

Anyway, that's off topic. We were talking about EQs.

[astroman]

... and not spoil das everyday in every post like you and your friends) ... ! they have to know that the only games is making you happy with all your thousand idiot post,is to write shit post on das ! and now, i have decided to write..
all of planetz have to understand how stupid you are,how jalous you are because we are on cw shop and we sell lots of plugs !...

does 'friends' include humble me ?

curious, Tom

[digitalaudiosoft]

... and not spoil das everyday in every post like you and your friends) ... ! they have to know that the only games is making you happy with all your thousand idiot post,is to write shit post on das ! and now, i have decided to write..
all of planetz have to understand how stupid you are,how jalous you are because we are on cw shop and we sell lots of plugs !...

does 'friends' include humble me ?

curious, Tom

each one will be recognized,do you have some doubts tom ?

cheers, eric

i'm so happy ! i understand now ,how to be hypochrite ...thanks all...

[astroman]

it wasn't into word playing but about a clear answer:

do you consider me to write something like
all your thousand idiot post
and that
all of planetz have to understand how stupid you are,how jalous you are because we are on cw shop and we sell lots of plugs

is that your opinion or not ?

cheers, Tom

[digitalaudiosoft]

Anyway, that's off topic. We were talking about EQs.

yes and this topic was talking about das eq...it's another post for you and your friend to try to spoil me....
it will never finish...and i know that.
there is another topic in wich you can spoil us another time....this one is more than funny and proove who you are ...

http://www.planetz.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=20814

bye,

now, you can flame me ...i've to go working

[hubird]

these are related topics:

http://www.planetz.com/forums/viewtopic ... ncellation

http://www.planetz.com/forums/search.php?mode=results

http://www.planetz.com/forums/viewtopic ... ncellation

http://www.planetz.com/forums/viewtopic ... 51&start=0

Just to make clear what I referred to.

DAS, Eric that is, can be very 'explosive', and the test is always said by DAS to be false, so every now and then it comes up again, as we are called liars and DAS haters, while the test was done very scientific.

But read those topics and judge by yourself
post eventual comments preferable here instead of in those topics I'd say...

[digitalaudiosoft]

hi stupid hubird ...another shit post ! you are a specialist aren't you...you always quote what you want to spoil das ...

Ive missed this discussion course i was very buissy the last few days;
I dont want to take part of one side or offend or deffend or whatever;
I also dont want to put oil in fire,
but you know this is musicforum isnt it and people discuss aspects of music;
So i feel that i must post this one; Sorry in advance!!
At first to say iv made non of the tests people here did
so dont want to comment this;
to me this phase phenomenon ocurse in the analog world live on stage;
but its digital also;

Test ist made with a song i recorded few months ago; !!!NOT MASTERED!!!
contains full Drum (analog), BAS, Guitar, Organ, Vocal and Percussion
there are also synth involved but only for percusive additional effect;
So i have full spectrum with a analycer;
i took only the left channel duplicated it in Nuendo;
so i have 2 MONO files of same contend on different channels
one panned to the right one panned to the left;
the first one is routed over a Nuendo EQ to asio source to one channel strip of dynamic mixer;
The second one is routed direct to asio source from there to PEQ4 M to another channel strip of Mixer;
I iverted one channel on Dynamic MIxer; whatching the output of this sum;
the dynamic Mixer is 'not phase comp.'!!!
with Bypassed on both EQs i get a Signal to 0 ( first led of VU is blinking)
but on speaker i hear no sound;
So i made a setting on Nuendo EQ and the VU goes up as expected; i can hear now
Then i give the same Numbers in CWEQ to see the result;
after 5 minutes of tweaking the PEQ 4 M
the result goes to 0
check it out

'if i know how i would have posted a picture here but everyone can redo in a few minutes'

So what the F*ck is that!!
Steinacle uses CW Atoms !!

NO

the answer is very simple;
if you look to deep into the structure you finaly see MATH
(of Mr. Einstein the one and only and his Math friends)
does this mean every EQ is the same

NO

its the nuances the makes the difference and developers would be mad if they tell you;

Finally to say you could phaseOUT every wavesource equal what they are passing!!

its a trick engineers use live on stage;
just a good EQ of what sort ever and a good engineer and the signal is gone to 0 (nonhearable)

If some will redo this test
take wave source whatever you like;
take Nueando Sonar VST SX or whatever
route as me
and ply with the EQs finding the point where sum is to 0
the result depends on the source so different source have different settings!!
check it out! it takes just a few minutes
If you want to get better results course one led is still blinking
you had to phase comp. the dynamic mixer and put a delay behind PEQ 4 M
course there are differend runtimes of the signals

its like human ;
we all made of the same substances 99.9%
but this 0.1% is why we all dont look the same and some are good some bad;
its the nuances that makes the difference

i do not reply on this post i dont want to get involved in something i dont have do to with
maybe we discuss the aspects on another tread another time;

good vibes from vienna

and they are lots of proove against you,about this wrong test with wrong result..only pro can understand what it is...not you man ,and you put again this shit on another topic...

i was sure that you will try again to spoil das when i'm not here...i know you now..

bye

eric

ps : thanks again to tgstgs from vienna and to all our customers and das friends

[Shroomz~>]

The Brainworx BX Digital seems also interesting, but a bit pricey now seeing I just bought Flexor and the Dynatube Bundle. Would the Vintage Bundle or Channel strip still perform the same functions bearing in mind that I own Optimiser. So would a combination of those things be as high end as the Brainworx BX device?

The quote above is the reason I began talking about the definition of a 'high end' EQ.

Btw Atomic Marshmallow, check out Wolf's 'Spectrum', which by all acounts & feedback is a wonderfull tool.

One thing is for sure & that is that you're spoilt for choice on Scope.

[sharc]

To answer the initial question as to whether a combination of the DAS vintage bundle and channel strip would be able to perform the same task as the BX Digital. IMO, yes they could perform similar tasks, especially if the MS side of things was handled by Alfonso's MS insert. Would they give the same results? probably no. I've no idea which would give the better results (that is subjective). The fact of the matter is that we're talking about different EQ's (even if the sonic differences are quite subtle) and it's all a case of personal preference. My advice to atomic marshmallow would be to demo both sets of plugs (plus a few others possibly) and go for the ones you prefer.

[sharc]

As for the 'high-end' issue. I would describe high-end as being a device in software or hardware that 'oozes quality'. In hardware it's usually less subjective, whereas on the Scope platform we have so many good plugins that it's more difficult to seperate the SPL/Avalon's from the behringer's. So again, it comes back to personal preference. I have to agree with Shroomz that price tag doesn't indicate whether one Scope plugin is more high-end than another.

[astroman]

well, if you look carefully, you'll find that 'high-end' in audio context is usually associated with a marginal increase in quality corresponding to an exponentially expanded price tag...
you know, those infamous final 5% which cost a fortune...

on the other hand, if you're practizing some sports on a regular base and achieved a certain level of performance, then a 5% increase (of whatever results) is a huge advance.

cheers, Tom
ps - my question above is still unanswered Eric - yes or no ?

[Atomic Marshmallow]

Btw Atomic Marshmallow, check out Wolf's 'Spectrum', which by all acounts & feedback is a wonderfull tool.

One thing is for sure & that is that you're spoilt for choice on Scope.

Well, thanks to all the responses. By the way I had no intention of this turning into a slanging match, though I guess there is nothing wrong with healthy debate as long as it remains civil.

By the way Shroomz, does Wolf's Spectrum" perform the same kind of function as the items I was looking at before? Could it replace them or can you explain what it does? I checked out the site and it looks kind of interesting. Could it analyse the EQ spectrum of say a CD you like and duplicate the settings (kind of- as I asked this question in another post and apparently these analyser things don't really work so accurately)?


As far as demoing the products, I want to take advantage of the Winter Deals so I don't know if I will have sufficient time to demo them fully.


Thanks and again excuse me if I am asking "basic" questions.

PS. I do though own Ozone 3 and there are mastering tools on the DAW software I own. So my concern is that maybe I am going for overkill if I get too preoccupied with getting that "sound".

[sonolive]

As far as demoing the products, I want to take advantage of the Winter Deals so I don't know if I will have sufficient time to demo them fully. .

so ... in order to give you a short and concrete answer if you don't have time ...
just buy right now DAS plug'ins ... especially, SL 9000, RMX 160 and vintage bundle !

Like many and many others (i think we will soon approach 100 people who made us confidence ...) you won't regret !

cheers
olive

[hubird]

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