?On 2005-11-29 14:18, garyb wrote:
......... and the extra mixers ......
hi Garyb, where do you see those extra mixers?
A bit dissapointed with the new 4.5 bundle
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I probably won't buy anything more to my CW cards before the driver/software works with dual cpu's / dual core / hyperthreading.
I have 7 !! CW cards, and none of them is installed in a computer because of problems with that or that or that.
It's a shame. Why CW is not fixing the drivers and the XTC mode?
CW (or the customers) won't gain much before they fix this.
It's one of the coolest synths/effects in the world, but it's not keeping up with the rest of the world.
I love the synths and effects, but it won't be installed before things are fixed.
Just do a search here on the forum, use the word "problem". How many hits? !!!
Come on, let us have a new driver, and compatible software.
Afterall, the pc systems are a lot more standardized now than back in 2002 .....
Nearly everybody is using Win XP, so .... it can't be so hard?
Everybody is talking about what is good for CW.
Perhaps if CW ralized that a new driver & bugfixing, so things worked more streamlined, at least in XTC mode, that sales would raise, and word of mouth would help CW because of satisfied customers.
All synths & effects & in/outs makes these cards a package hard to beat if it was easy to install & use (read XTC, without tweaking ....)
THAT would benefit us, the users, and CW.
What other cards is there on the market that can do the same?
.... eh, if they worked, that is ....
I have 7 !! CW cards, and none of them is installed in a computer because of problems with that or that or that.
It's a shame. Why CW is not fixing the drivers and the XTC mode?
CW (or the customers) won't gain much before they fix this.
It's one of the coolest synths/effects in the world, but it's not keeping up with the rest of the world.
I love the synths and effects, but it won't be installed before things are fixed.
Just do a search here on the forum, use the word "problem". How many hits? !!!
Come on, let us have a new driver, and compatible software.
Afterall, the pc systems are a lot more standardized now than back in 2002 .....
Nearly everybody is using Win XP, so .... it can't be so hard?
Everybody is talking about what is good for CW.
Perhaps if CW ralized that a new driver & bugfixing, so things worked more streamlined, at least in XTC mode, that sales would raise, and word of mouth would help CW because of satisfied customers.
All synths & effects & in/outs makes these cards a package hard to beat if it was easy to install & use (read XTC, without tweaking ....)
THAT would benefit us, the users, and CW.
What other cards is there on the market that can do the same?
.... eh, if they worked, that is ....
eh, you're right, 
I am a luna(t)ech!
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hubird
What would you expect from a system that is put together from hardware parts marketed by different manufacturers and an operating system that is not specially designed for multi medea use??
You won't find much problem posters which use Apple macs, isn't it?
It's just that you blame CWA so hard for problems they can't controll.
It's simple, spare some mony and accept learning how to tweak Windows (IRQ, HT, ACPI, etc.), or buy an older mac, install everything in an hour or two and start working (and accept the known upgrade troubles to newer macs with PCI-X slots and lack of OSX support by CWA).
SFP is the most stable and bugfree software I ever had on my mac, period
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You won't find much problem posters which use Apple macs, isn't it?
It's just that you blame CWA so hard for problems they can't controll.
It's simple, spare some mony and accept learning how to tweak Windows (IRQ, HT, ACPI, etc.), or buy an older mac, install everything in an hour or two and start working (and accept the known upgrade troubles to newer macs with PCI-X slots and lack of OSX support by CWA).
SFP is the most stable and bugfree software I ever had on my mac, period
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I think the best way to view the 4.5 release is as a positive. It should create some more resources to keep the company going, and for new buyers the package is now much more attractive. And similarly, it greatly simplifies the buying and owning decision for a new user.
It's quite cool to see the company making intelligent moves like this one. So it's a win for the company, and a big win for new users. So while the v4.5 upgrade doesn't really affect me at the moment, I think in the longer term it's a good thing for the whole community.
It's quite cool to see the company making intelligent moves like this one. So it's a win for the company, and a big win for new users. So while the v4.5 upgrade doesn't really affect me at the moment, I think in the longer term it's a good thing for the whole community.
Hi Hubird!On 2005-11-30 19:03, hubird wrote:
What would you expect from a system that is put together from hardware parts marketed by different manufacturers and an operating system that is not specially designed for multi medea use??
You won't find much problem posters which use Apple macs, isn't it?
It's just that you blame CWA so hard for problems they can't controll.
It's simple, spare some mony and accept learning how to tweak Windows (IRQ, HT, ACPI, etc.), or buy an older mac, install everything in an hour or two and start working (and accept the known upgrade troubles to newer macs with PCI-X slots and lack of OSX support by CWA).
SFP is the most stable and bugfree software I ever had on my mac, period
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You don't have to defend CW .....
I am not even complaining about the 4.5....
As for managing pc's, I have made over 900 pc's for 4 years, and I have used computers since ..... too long, 1978!!!! I was 12 years then. I have bla bla bla (programmed, hacked, cracked, etc. etc, soldering changing irq's etc), I guess what I am saying is; I'm not having problems with hardware in general, just with some software and drivers....
I am not bashing or whining.
I just felt this was a good time to say what I say;
CW should at least try to keep up with general pc standards. If not, they can't stay in business after a given time when pc's change so much (I'm not talking macs here) that it will be totally incompatible with CW softs & hards.
IMO if CW is making new boards based on pci-express or something else, they also need to address this issues.
So why not have they started yet?
If CW is all about making money & music (if they truly love their stuff), they should at least keep up with drivers & bugfixing the thing.
The less problems there are, the more customers will come.
Universal Audio have had their trouble too, but they are keeping up. Waves have their APA boxes, and so on.
And about using Macs, how many mac users are there here on planetz? And compared to pc users, in percents?
Is it fair that CW dictate what exact hardware to use, that is probably running best on Win98?
eh?
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Ah, I just realized a couple other wins on this, even for longtime owners. One, I didn't notice before that VDAT is now part of the Scope Project. That's a nice one.
The other win here is that this bundle indirectly solves the whole "license migration" problem. Most Project and Professional cards will end up being just about licensed for everything, and you won't end up having to shuffle things around too much when you are adding/removing/changing cards. Nice side effect.
The other win here is that this bundle indirectly solves the whole "license migration" problem. Most Project and Professional cards will end up being just about licensed for everything, and you won't end up having to shuffle things around too much when you are adding/removing/changing cards. Nice side effect.
scope is not a fashion thing, but if you are a music producer, synth programmer, sound engineer and so on, you can do everything in your mind.I have bla bla bla (programmed, hacked, cracked, etc. etc, soldering changing irq's etc)
What i like of scope is that i'm not forced of changing my hardware and my computer every 2 years and i can use it at the same way of my outboard.
I'm not interested in pci express or whatever, what i need is to make music and to be creative and scope is perfect for this.
Micron
in fact, that same idea entered my mind as wellOn 2005-12-01 01:15, ScofieldKid wrote:
...The other win here is that this bundle indirectly solves the whole "license migration" problem. ... Nice side effect.
All my stuff is licenced to a single Pulsar One and I have another one without any licences.
As Bosone's example shows (he upgraded one of these oldies), the 98 Euro fee would give me a base software like the former Propack, an extra VDAT, a Masterverb Pro, B2003...
cheers, Tom
you're long enough in the business to know that it doesn't work this way...On 2005-12-01 00:37, jea wrote:
...The less problems there are, the more customers will come...
Noone would buy the Wave boxes if the company wouldn't be known for their 'traditional' stuff and Protools plugins.
Noone would give a sh*t on a UAD card if they wouldn't have THAT analog ancestor
Mac users buy ProTools because they always did and simply has 'that professional touch'.
Whatever they put the Digidesign label on will sell.
People use 'Office' software (and keep buying) despite experiences of recent internet safety issues.
They even acknowledge those problems and solve them by buying tons of antivirus-firwall-i-dunnowhat stuff.
is this reasonable at all ?
cheers, Tom
Well, compare the price of a PC mobo to a DSP card and it should be clear which component is in the (supposed to be) director's position.On 2005-12-01 00:37, jea wrote:
...CW should at least try to keep up with general pc standards. If not, they can't stay in business after a given time when pc's change so much (I'm not talking macs here) that it will be totally incompatible with CW softs & hards...
It IS a niche market and there will always be someone to supply exactly for that niche.
You can still buy P4 boards with ISA slots
this 'must have new...' is a marketing gimmick.
cheers, Tom
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@ astroman:
I give up!
If you can't see that when people need to install their new soundcard/software combo (scope) have to come here for help usually just to get help installing it, either you are "blind" or something.
All the dsp files missing (still on disk though), all the tweaking of the system to get it to work, etc etc.
A new installer that installs everything is the way. After all to continue working you have to point to the keyfile, and then the plugs you paid for work.
Like UA does. UAD-1 never failed an installation. UAD-1 is "simpler" though.
But why CWA doesn't recompile the driver/software is a mystery for me.
Leaves me with the impression that CWA have a problem with the licensing or rights or something legal perhaps. I don't know.
But why CWA doesn't fix this problems (mainly driver/midi/sfp/xtc) I can't understand.
If fixed it would be better for CW's reputation.
Like Hubird says: If you don't want to deal with IRQ's, ACPI, bla, bla, bla .... buy a Mac! .... and get it working in couple of hours .....
Or install it on a an ASUS CUSL-2 with Win98!
Bla, bla, bla!
Enough!
I give up!
If you can't see that when people need to install their new soundcard/software combo (scope) have to come here for help usually just to get help installing it, either you are "blind" or something.
All the dsp files missing (still on disk though), all the tweaking of the system to get it to work, etc etc.
A new installer that installs everything is the way. After all to continue working you have to point to the keyfile, and then the plugs you paid for work.
Like UA does. UAD-1 never failed an installation. UAD-1 is "simpler" though.
But why CWA doesn't recompile the driver/software is a mystery for me.
Leaves me with the impression that CWA have a problem with the licensing or rights or something legal perhaps. I don't know.
But why CWA doesn't fix this problems (mainly driver/midi/sfp/xtc) I can't understand.
If fixed it would be better for CW's reputation.
Like Hubird says: If you don't want to deal with IRQ's, ACPI, bla, bla, bla .... buy a Mac! .... and get it working in couple of hours .....
Or install it on a an ASUS CUSL-2 with Win98!
Bla, bla, bla!
Enough!
eh, you're right, I am a luna(t)ech!
I am a luna(t)ech!
Hi garyb,
I always do that also.
Fresh is always best.
But still .... there is always some problem.
Think if CW made an installer that installed all the plugins that exists from CW the correct way, with xtc/sfp.
With the keyfile, only the plugs in the keyfile is activated. The rest could be in demo mode, restricted in some way.
That way it is possible for users to try out any CW plugin, and when bought it would be available instantly.
Could be great?
I always do that also.
Fresh is always best.
But still .... there is always some problem.
Think if CW made an installer that installed all the plugins that exists from CW the correct way, with xtc/sfp.
With the keyfile, only the plugs in the keyfile is activated. The rest could be in demo mode, restricted in some way.
That way it is possible for users to try out any CW plugin, and when bought it would be available instantly.
Could be great?
eh, you're right, I am a luna(t)ech!
I am a luna(t)ech!
It's certainly not good to see, I agree with you there. But do you think they'd be doing this just so they can piss off those hard-won customers of their products, just for a Christmas joke?
It's very easy for us to be righteous and offer our opinions as to how a company should be run.
However we don't have the added pressures of employing support staff, having a network of distributors to sell our products, and quite frankly, we don't have enough money tied up in the company (a couple of soundcards and plugins does not somehow give you shares in the f**king company) to argue about how it's run.
If you care that much, buy Creamware and save us all
It's very easy for us to be righteous and offer our opinions as to how a company should be run.
However we don't have the added pressures of employing support staff, having a network of distributors to sell our products, and quite frankly, we don't have enough money tied up in the company (a couple of soundcards and plugins does not somehow give you shares in the f**king company) to argue about how it's run.
If you care that much, buy Creamware and save us all