Warp,
How much DSP will this modular system use? I use as many verbs as I can, so having one big DSP-hungry device isn't as useful. Do the unused modules use DSP?
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actually I don't even want to decide thisOn 2004-09-04 21:13, MOFO wrote:
...If you can use the Scope software or modular synth, you should have no trouble deciding if you want a diffuser or delay to be first in the signal path...
I just want a certain sound and not it's construction details...
The provocative undertone is intended (but not to be taken dead seriously).
Both the P100 and CD100 are professional tools, certainly among the 'most professional' SFP effects.
In that context any distraction from workflow is unwanted.
Let me refer to Transient Designer and STW MasterComp - all can be done with 2 or 3 knobs, and in fact I don't even know how this Mastering thing works. It eats four DSPs and I can quickly adjust the output as desired...
It is much more demanding to distribute the maximum soundrange on to the minimum number of controllers, than to add endless options.
Warps devices are well thought out, and require a more than average number of control elements because the tweaking of the respective params makes sense.
Nevertheless I'm absolutely convinced that they would really suffer from more complexity (and added features).
A modular design could as well be used to reduce 'unnecessary' screen controls, so I'm not generally opposed to that idea.
cheers, Tom
My $.02...
Sell each device as both modular and singular devices, offering a discount to those customers who want both. That way if you own P100, you could buy the modularized components at a discounted rate (or vice-versa). You would be offering choices to those who want more flexibility and still making a fair sale to those who would prefer one or the other but not both.
Sam
Sell each device as both modular and singular devices, offering a discount to those customers who want both. That way if you own P100, you could buy the modularized components at a discounted rate (or vice-versa). You would be offering choices to those who want more flexibility and still making a fair sale to those who would prefer one or the other but not both.
Sam
Hello
I am thinking about buying the verbs for some time now. But there´s one thing that lets me hesitate: I need 4 verbs minimum in my productions and as far as I have experienced the demos I would have to use two PCs (with SFP Hardware) as for the PCI demanding verbs. So I would have to buy a second PC and a second version of each plug. Anyone who has a setup with at least 4 verbs (P100, A100 and how much of which one)?
I am thinking about buying the verbs for some time now. But there´s one thing that lets me hesitate: I need 4 verbs minimum in my productions and as far as I have experienced the demos I would have to use two PCs (with SFP Hardware) as for the PCI demanding verbs. So I would have to buy a second PC and a second version of each plug. Anyone who has a setup with at least 4 verbs (P100, A100 and how much of which one)?
You should have most of the emails of the buyers so you could launch a " poll " in simple, no headaches english.
But ... also more work for you and delays for upcoming algos.
On the other hand if you manage to satisfy most requests with a non abusive amount of work, you'll be unvoidable in the long term.
There's a need for lower DSP to be satisfied as for me, I prefer a hungry good sounding one and I wonder what a 6 DSP P-100 or CD-100 would sound like !
For saving DSP, it would be great to " turn off " units not just lower them and the controls would be greyed.
If we could combine low / middle / high DSP units ( delays, verbs ... coming in various strenght ) and more or less free routing that would be Xmas.
There are lots of options / controls but if there's a good bunch a presets that covers most of the devices possibilities, we'll aim for that preset and maybe do some minor tweaks to fine tune.
Have you tried the muticomb and pipe FX of Absynth ?
Maybe some ideas for later ...
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But ... also more work for you and delays for upcoming algos.
On the other hand if you manage to satisfy most requests with a non abusive amount of work, you'll be unvoidable in the long term.
There's a need for lower DSP to be satisfied as for me, I prefer a hungry good sounding one and I wonder what a 6 DSP P-100 or CD-100 would sound like !
For saving DSP, it would be great to " turn off " units not just lower them and the controls would be greyed.
If we could combine low / middle / high DSP units ( delays, verbs ... coming in various strenght ) and more or less free routing that would be Xmas.
There are lots of options / controls but if there's a good bunch a presets that covers most of the devices possibilities, we'll aim for that preset and maybe do some minor tweaks to fine tune.
Have you tried the muticomb and pipe FX of Absynth ?
Maybe some ideas for later ...
<font size=-1>[ This Message was edited by: decimator on 2004-09-06 08:58 ]</font>
the message refers to a file called CP2.DSP which belongs into the dsp folder (sfp/app/dsp) - it should be in the original distribution zip-file (stwp100release2.zip in my case).
how-to for the curious (or adventurous ):
the dsp files are 'aliased' = real name/file name
in the dsp folder there's a dsp.idx file, which (among other stuff) contains the name resolution.
you can open the .idx file with an editor and do a search for the 'missing' name - it will show a line containing the corresponding file name and path.
Check if everything is in place - BUT DON'T EDIT THAT THING, it's not intended at all.
Scope automatically processes the file content on startup.
If you put the CP2.DSP manually into the folder you have to restart SFP so the system gets updated (and informed about it's new companion).
cheers, Tom
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how-to for the curious (or adventurous
):the dsp files are 'aliased' = real name/file name
in the dsp folder there's a dsp.idx file, which (among other stuff) contains the name resolution.
you can open the .idx file with an editor and do a search for the 'missing' name - it will show a line containing the corresponding file name and path.
Check if everything is in place - BUT DON'T EDIT THAT THING, it's not intended at all.
Scope automatically processes the file content on startup.
If you put the CP2.DSP manually into the folder you have to restart SFP so the system gets updated (and informed about it's new companion).
cheers, Tom
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Hey,
Sorry guys - unfortunately its not possible to make a modular system the way I want. Problems with inserts - they can only have 2 inputs and 2 outputs.
Well, I can then use the time to finish the Ambience and Hall algoritms
You're able to unload the different segments by using the input level - if you choose "off" you'll unload the effect (chorus or delay). Unfortunately SFP doesnt unload allocated DSP ram so the effect is not that big with chorus.
At the moment the chorus can modulate the delay by 46ms, if I change that to 23ms I can reduce the DSP usage by 50%. Should I do that?
Cheers
Sorry guys - unfortunately its not possible to make a modular system the way I want. Problems with inserts - they can only have 2 inputs and 2 outputs.
Well, I can then use the time to finish the Ambience and Hall algoritms
You're able to unload the different segments by using the input level - if you choose "off" you'll unload the effect (chorus or delay). Unfortunately SFP doesnt unload allocated DSP ram so the effect is not that big with chorus.
At the moment the chorus can modulate the delay by 46ms, if I change that to 23ms I can reduce the DSP usage by 50%. Should I do that?
Cheers
Hi all,
Got the thing running now I am just waiting for my activation key.
Can I just say that I am absolutely blown away by the quality of this thing. I am only on a 3 dsp card at the mo but on the strength of this product I hace ordered a Pro card today. I simply can't wait for the Ambience/Hall effects.
The only project I seem to be loading at the mo is ADAT to ADAT with P100 in the middle
Regards,
Simon
Got the thing running now I am just waiting for my activation key.
Can I just say that I am absolutely blown away by the quality of this thing. I am only on a 3 dsp card at the mo but on the strength of this product I hace ordered a Pro card today. I simply can't wait for the Ambience/Hall effects.
The only project I seem to be loading at the mo is ADAT to ADAT with P100 in the middle
Regards,
Simon
Warp69, I would be all for the reduction of DSP! I can't remember the last time I used a chorus with a delay over 30ms, unless it was to achieve some kind of modulated slapback delay. If it really makes a big difference in DSP load, I am all for it! What do you think about adding a LINK button to link L/R delay or chorus times? I like using slightly different times for L/R but sometimes it is quicker to set them up by linking them, then moving one side back or foward a few ms.
Also good to know that you still plan to release Hall algorithm! Do you know how the Hall program compares to Plate/Ambience in terms of DSP consumption? I was worried a while after you seemed disappointed with sales, that you would give up...hopefully sales have improved for you...
Also good to know that you still plan to release Hall algorithm! Do you know how the Hall program compares to Plate/Ambience in terms of DSP consumption? I was worried a while after you seemed disappointed with sales, that you would give up...hopefully sales have improved for you...
Hey,
I'll make a cd100 lite version.
Regarding the delay times in the chorus part : If you choose a delay time above 46ms, like 146ms - the signal will then be delayed between 100ms and 146ms.
The Hall algorithm use more DSP than the Plate algorithm (probably 10-20% more).
The sales have improved, but unfortunately not very much (additional 20-25 items).
After that - lets see what happens
Cheers
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I'll make a cd100 lite version.
Regarding the delay times in the chorus part : If you choose a delay time above 46ms, like 146ms - the signal will then be delayed between 100ms and 146ms.
The Hall algorithm use more DSP than the Plate algorithm (probably 10-20% more).
The sales have improved, but unfortunately not very much (additional 20-25 items).
After that - lets see what happens
Cheers
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For anyone who is considering whether the P-100 is worth $99, I just posted an informal A / B comparison with a Lexicon PCM-80, on another site. I'm cross-posting here since I figure there's a chance someone out there might find it useful.
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Here is the (very informal) shootout:
Sonic TimeWorks P-100 and Lexicon PCM-80 shootout
It is a 30 megabyte ZIP file with 16-bit WAVs inside (I dithered down the original 24 bit ones to cut the overall size of the ZIP in half).
Here's what I did: I stepped through the PCM-80's plate reverbs (with the exception of P3-3.5-Wobble Plate, which is probably doable with some patience). For each PCM-80 setting I found the closest P-100 preset that I could for the comparison. For the most part I didn't modify the P-100 settings, except where there was a glaring difference (and as noted below).
Sound-wise you'll hear slight differences between the Lexicon and the STW. However quality-wise I think they're comparable sonically. And interface-wise I would rather use the P-100 any day. The interface is quite easy to use, and very very powerful.
Test 1:
PCM-80: Preset P3 / 0.6 Tiled Room
P-100: Preset 4 Small Bright Plate
Test 2:
PCM-80: Preset P3 / 1.2 Vox Plate
P-100: Preset 3 Drum Plate
Test 3:
PCM-80: Preset P3 / 1.3 Good ol Plate
P-100: Preset 2 Warm Plate
Test 4:
PCM-80: Preset P3 / 1.4 Slap Plate
P-100: Preset 0 Vocal Plate
Dly Lvl L: -5.7 dB
Dly Lvl R: -5.7 dB
F.Back L: 25%
F.Back R: 24%
Test 5:
PCM-80: Preset P3 / 1.5 Brass Plate
P-100: Preset 3 Drum Plate
Test 6:
PCM-80: Preset P3 / 1.6 Drum Plate
P-100: Preset 3 Drum Plate
Size = 6.6m
Test 7:
PCM-80: Preset P3 / 1.7 Rich Plate
P-100: Preset 2 Warm Plate
By all means let me know what you think. I would be happy to tweak a particular preset or 2 in the P-100 if you'd like. I can also run a few samples of yours through the P-100 if you'd like. Just let me know.
Hope this helps anyone else who is considering the P-100, too!
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Here is the (very informal) shootout:
Sonic TimeWorks P-100 and Lexicon PCM-80 shootout
It is a 30 megabyte ZIP file with 16-bit WAVs inside (I dithered down the original 24 bit ones to cut the overall size of the ZIP in half).
Here's what I did: I stepped through the PCM-80's plate reverbs (with the exception of P3-3.5-Wobble Plate, which is probably doable with some patience). For each PCM-80 setting I found the closest P-100 preset that I could for the comparison. For the most part I didn't modify the P-100 settings, except where there was a glaring difference (and as noted below).
Sound-wise you'll hear slight differences between the Lexicon and the STW. However quality-wise I think they're comparable sonically. And interface-wise I would rather use the P-100 any day. The interface is quite easy to use, and very very powerful.
Test 1:
PCM-80: Preset P3 / 0.6 Tiled Room
P-100: Preset 4 Small Bright Plate
Test 2:
PCM-80: Preset P3 / 1.2 Vox Plate
P-100: Preset 3 Drum Plate
Test 3:
PCM-80: Preset P3 / 1.3 Good ol Plate
P-100: Preset 2 Warm Plate
Test 4:
PCM-80: Preset P3 / 1.4 Slap Plate
P-100: Preset 0 Vocal Plate
Dly Lvl L: -5.7 dB
Dly Lvl R: -5.7 dB
F.Back L: 25%
F.Back R: 24%
Test 5:
PCM-80: Preset P3 / 1.5 Brass Plate
P-100: Preset 3 Drum Plate
Test 6:
PCM-80: Preset P3 / 1.6 Drum Plate
P-100: Preset 3 Drum Plate
Size = 6.6m
Test 7:
PCM-80: Preset P3 / 1.7 Rich Plate
P-100: Preset 2 Warm Plate
By all means let me know what you think. I would be happy to tweak a particular preset or 2 in the P-100 if you'd like. I can also run a few samples of yours through the P-100 if you'd like. Just let me know.
Hope this helps anyone else who is considering the P-100, too!