Enveloper in SFP?

spoimala · Post by **spoimala** » Thu Aug 05, 2004 11:45 am

In Logic there's a plugin "Enveloper". Is there such device (or easy to do with Modular) in SFP?
Nuendo seems not to have similar plugin either.

wolf · Post by **wolf** » Thu Aug 05, 2004 12:32 pm

Hi,

Enveloper in Logic is like many others just a replica of the original -> the spl transient designer.
You can call yourself lucky, because an exact copy of the spl transient designer is available as scope plugin.
Just go to the cwa shop.

best
Wolfgang

dbmac · Post by **dbmac** » Thu Aug 05, 2004 1:36 pm

And it's an amazing device.

/dave

Liquid EDGE · Post by **Liquid EDGE** » Thu Aug 05, 2004 2:58 pm

what exactly does this thing do..?

dbmac · Post by **dbmac** » Thu Aug 05, 2004 3:13 pm

From the CW site:

"The Transient Designer is based on SPL's patented "Differential Envelope Technology™". This makes two things possible: firstly, you can increase or decrease the attack of any sound material. Especially with percussive sounds, this is an easy way to add more "punch" and boost the presence of these sounds.

With the Transient Designer you can also shorten or prolong the sustain of an audio signal. This enables you to increase or decrease its relative share of the acoustical "space".

In its digital version as a Plug-In for Pulsar, the Transient Designer also works with audio signals in 24bit/96kHz-format for the first time."

I use it on all drum tracks, guitar and bass. It's only useful for individual instruments, not full mix.

/dave

Liquid EDGE · Post by **Liquid EDGE** » Thu Aug 05, 2004 3:37 pm

cheers.

so you can shape the atack (envelope) and prolong the sustain by means of somesort of compresion and shortan the sustain by well, having a quicker release/shut the sound off. ? am i being thick but is this some sort of comp/envelope.?

dbmac · Post by **dbmac** » Thu Aug 05, 2004 5:01 pm

Not a comp, and it operates like an envelope - there's only attack and decay adjustments and input gain reduction, very simple to use. Results are dramatic, and very clean.

/dave

astroman · Post by **astroman** » Thu Aug 05, 2004 5:21 pm

LiquidEDGE, aren't you into Drum 'n Bass ?
Then it's a must have

cheers, Tom

decimator · Post by **decimator** » Thu Aug 05, 2004 5:44 pm

I'am very interested in transforming short sounds that " could have been " percussive ( attack in the second range ) into percussive ones, can it do the trick ?

Sure it's a Transient Designer but I'd prefer to be sure !

I'am not aware of the " range " of possible transformations and transients shaping.

Liquid EDGE · Post by **Liquid EDGE** » Thu Aug 05, 2004 6:09 pm

well i'd better get one.

going to go and rob a bank soon....

Post by **hubird** » Thu Aug 05, 2004 6:43 pm

you won't regret...it's an amazing tool...it even can transform a cheap set of monitors in a pair of Genelecs

trying it is buying it

[ This Message was edited by: hubird on 2004-08-05 19:44 ]

Thalamus · Post by **Thalamus** » Thu Aug 05, 2004 7:35 pm

This device is in nearly all my projects, mostly as a pronouncer for drums and percussives.

Can't say enough good things about it, and hell...nothing else does this so transparent as this.

Don't hessitate.

Basic Pitch · Post by **Basic Pitch** » Thu Aug 05, 2004 8:20 pm

What about the SPL Attacker, clearly it can not reduce the attack but for adding punch to percussion and bass sounds this is a less expensive alternative the the TD.

Has any one heard any info on the Sony Transient Modulator? Same thing as the SPL just a Sony version, wonder how the two compare.

Cheers!

wayne · Post by **wayne** » Thu Aug 05, 2004 10:19 pm

I've got the attacker, and it's a good thing.

Anybody use attacker who has transient designer?

I plan on buying td, but it would be good to hear how people compare the two.

spoimala · Post by **spoimala** » Fri Aug 06, 2004 2:03 am

On 2004-08-05 13:32, wolf wrote:
Enveloper in Logic is like many others just a replica of the original -> the spl transient designer.

Goddammit! I've heard about that plugin, but never really got that it is exatcly THAT thing that I really need! Thanks!

Hubird wrote:
you won't regret...it's an amazing tool...it even can transform a cheap set of monitors in a pair of Genelecs

Huh, what does it make to my Genelecs then? Transform them into behringers?

Post by **hubird** » Fri Aug 06, 2004 7:11 am

dehuszar · Post by **dehuszar** » Fri Aug 06, 2004 4:39 pm

Does anyone know of any good tutorials for TD? I've searched the site, and not found what I was looking for. I imagine that a tut. for the original device would do as well as anything else.

Anyone? Bueller?

Sam

Post by **hubird** » Fri Aug 06, 2004 6:27 pm

if you need a tutorial for the TD, you'll also need one for how to open a door

[ This Message was edited by: hubird on 2004-08-06 19:28 ]

bassdude · Post by **bassdude** » Fri Aug 06, 2004 7:09 pm

On 2004-08-05 23:19, wayne wrote:
I've got the attacker, and it's a good thing.

Anybody use attacker who has transient designer?

I plan on buying td, but it would be good to hear how people compare the two.

I don't have the attacker just the TD. I'm thinking of getting the attacker as well now because you can only run 6 instances of the TD (3 stereo or 6 mono).
The TD is just the attacker with a sustain control as well.
I've used it to great great affect on drums. For instance, I had a kick track that had an overly basketball bounce sound. I used the TD to back off the sustain slightly then bumped up the low end a bit and to my surprise the kick turned out sounding much better than expected. There was absolutely no way I could have achieved the same thing with just eq.
With subtle adjustment, I've also used it across an entire drum mix to reduce room ambience and make a drum mix sound drier. It sort of works like a transparent gate.

You can use it on anything and It's a very useful tool to have handy.

[ This Message was edited by: bassdude on 2004-08-06 20:14 ]

astroman · Post by **astroman** » Fri Aug 06, 2004 7:44 pm

On 2004-08-06 20:09, bassdude wrote:
...because you can only run 6 instances of the TD (3 stereo or 6 mono)...

this clearly shows how good CWA version of TD is

SPL needs an artificial limit of instances to protect their hardware sales. Otherwise you probably could run 2 dozen instances on a Scope home

Btw it's the only thing to push the internal sound of my Casio midi sax to something usable - though it can't do the trick of removing that s*cking fixed amount of vibrato.

cheers, Tom