Check it out: http://namm.harmony-central.com/SNAMM04 ... X-VST.html
Sounds like EMU is going to be directly competing with Creamware - and the EMU cards are so low priced. I wonder how good the effects are????
E-mu Announces PowerFX Hardware-Accelerated VST Effects
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I've tried many products from Creative, and they've all been crap. I haven't liked any of E-mu's synths either, and I'm not fain to believe their new stuff is any better.
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I know a lot of home users that have jumped on these emu cards (the emu-x usually) and apparently they sound great for the low cost (there are even mods on certain forums u can perform to upgrade certain components).
The Fx that run on the card's E-chip however are not able to be automated via midi (before this release the fx ran only in their on-board mixer sort of like sfp). What this seems to be is use of the fx as inserts/sends within a host app allowing full PDC if supported. Since there was no word on whether you could use midi or vst automation on them yet I'll have to ask someone that has one.
And the fx aren't THAT hot but are serviceable. The reverbs are outdone by Waves and Spinaudio verbs, the compressors are comparable to logic's compressor or the stock cubase one, rather than something higher etc. The E-Chip was based off the old algorithms found in the RFx board (adat & Fx addon board for Emu's e4/e5000 systems). There was a bit of talk that they may have also included some algorithms from the ensoniq fx chip as well.
The real downside to the system imo. is that the EMu-x won't run without the card and they assume that you're either running fruityloops/cubase and have nothing better as a soundcard currently (most of the people who bought one didn't) or that you'll build an entire p4 system to run the emulator-x on. Meaning the Emu-x sampler will only run with the card installed. I have not yet found anyone that owns another pro card who could confirm whether the Emu-x software worked with the card installed but not used as ASIO master (meaning it would just be a glorified dongle on the PCI bus).
The Fx that run on the card's E-chip however are not able to be automated via midi (before this release the fx ran only in their on-board mixer sort of like sfp). What this seems to be is use of the fx as inserts/sends within a host app allowing full PDC if supported. Since there was no word on whether you could use midi or vst automation on them yet I'll have to ask someone that has one.
And the fx aren't THAT hot but are serviceable. The reverbs are outdone by Waves and Spinaudio verbs, the compressors are comparable to logic's compressor or the stock cubase one, rather than something higher etc. The E-Chip was based off the old algorithms found in the RFx board (adat & Fx addon board for Emu's e4/e5000 systems). There was a bit of talk that they may have also included some algorithms from the ensoniq fx chip as well.
The real downside to the system imo. is that the EMu-x won't run without the card and they assume that you're either running fruityloops/cubase and have nothing better as a soundcard currently (most of the people who bought one didn't) or that you'll build an entire p4 system to run the emulator-x on. Meaning the Emu-x sampler will only run with the card installed. I have not yet found anyone that owns another pro card who could confirm whether the Emu-x software worked with the card installed but not used as ASIO master (meaning it would just be a glorified dongle on the PCI bus).
I have a few friends who has Emu 1820m and that "m" means that they have AD/DA from Digy!!!!
I think that for that money it is a good performance card with ADAT's and good analog in's and out's and if you want you can by Emu-X.
I also heard that it is a good sempler, i didnt try it
I think that for that money it is a good performance card with ADAT's and good analog in's and out's and if you want you can by Emu-X.
I also heard that it is a good sempler, i didnt try it
Music, Me and Myself
I tested the "new" emu/creative hardware cards (with emulatorX) and it´s unuseable to me..On 2004-07-24 22:56, Shayne White wrote:
I've tried many products from Creative, and they've all been crap. I haven't liked any of E-mu's synths either, and I'm not fein to believe their new stuff is any better.
Shayne
the emulatorX kills my native performance with about 20 voices...
the UI is unuseable...
let´s see what´s coming now
..the quality of the sample-libary is good, by the way!
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A few years ago emu announced a software sampler. Some time passed...
Then akai announced that they were going to release a software version of their Z8 sampler (which would supposedly also be 100% compatible with the z4 & z8 and work as a software frontend as well as a software sampler when a z hardware sampler is connected)? When Akai announced this, everyone thought "where is the Emu software?"
Now that the Emu is out, everyone asks "where is the Akai?"
Then akai announced that they were going to release a software version of their Z8 sampler (which would supposedly also be 100% compatible with the z4 & z8 and work as a software frontend as well as a software sampler when a z hardware sampler is connected)? When Akai announced this, everyone thought "where is the Emu software?"
Now that the Emu is out, everyone asks "where is the Akai?"
Eon,
The card has the same AD/DA convertor chip as found in the Digi hardware, it doesn't have all of the other ancillary devices that go along with it. Quite a few other companies use the same chip, it's not a proprietary piece. The things that may be missing are high quality clock source, ultra fast pre amps, etc.
It still appears to be a good deal, at $199 USD I may get one for my "old" 1.2 GHz machine and use it as a synth station with something like Brainspawn Forte or Cakewalk's Project 5.
The card has the same AD/DA convertor chip as found in the Digi hardware, it doesn't have all of the other ancillary devices that go along with it. Quite a few other companies use the same chip, it's not a proprietary piece. The things that may be missing are high quality clock source, ultra fast pre amps, etc.
It still appears to be a good deal, at $199 USD I may get one for my "old" 1.2 GHz machine and use it as a synth station with something like Brainspawn Forte or Cakewalk's Project 5.
$199 is indeed a great deal - the EMU 1820m has a list price of 499 Euro here
according to a Keyboards review the FX are 'usable at best', and at 96 and 192 khz not even (or gracefully ?) available because the DSP is needed for routing.
No Mac support yet, no WDM at higher sampling rates, no 88.2 khz, no Midi automation.
FX are not directly loading in VST-host but via an 'E-Wire' connection and the DSP power is surprisingly fast exhausted.
I may be wrong but isn't that EMU E-DSP the same 10k chip known from the SBlaster cards ?
Creative Labs know how to market and how to make money - that for shure
cheers, Tom
according to a Keyboards review the FX are 'usable at best', and at 96 and 192 khz not even (or gracefully ?) available because the DSP is needed for routing.
No Mac support yet, no WDM at higher sampling rates, no 88.2 khz, no Midi automation.
FX are not directly loading in VST-host but via an 'E-Wire' connection and the DSP power is surprisingly fast exhausted.
I may be wrong but isn't that EMU E-DSP the same 10k chip known from the SBlaster cards ?
Creative Labs know how to market and how to make money - that for shure
cheers, Tom
you r right, but for that money you'll get 1/16 of digy.Isn't that cute???On 2004-07-26 21:34, 7XL wrote:
Eon,
The card has the same AD/DA convertor chip as found in the Digi hardware, it doesn't have all of the other ancillary devices that go along with it. Quite a few other companies use the same chip, it's not a proprietary piece. The things that may be missing are high quality clock source, ultra fast pre amps, etc.
It still appears to be a good deal, at $199 USD I may get one for my "old" 1.2 GHz machine and use it as a synth station with something like Brainspawn Forte or Cakewalk's Project 5.
I think that Emu is good card from a few reasons. One is good AD/DA, second is stablity of drivers, third is Emu x which is in the moment best software sempler (sorry STS), but EMu is well known for good semplers, why not in softwrae version, fourth ADAT's and so go on. But it cannot be balanced with CW cause it is another world
Music, Me and Myself
to me, the emulatorX is NOT the best softwaresampler!
it doas not read emu-formated disks!
halion doas by the way
the filters are NOT as good as the hardware filters, the UI is unesable and the performance is more than poor. (in compare to kontakt e.g.)
one good thing is the sample-libary!
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it doas not read emu-formated disks!
halion doas by the way
the filters are NOT as good as the hardware filters, the UI is unesable and the performance is more than poor. (in compare to kontakt e.g.)
one good thing is the sample-libary!
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