another missed opportunity?

wavelength · Post by **wavelength** » Sun May 16, 2004 4:10 pm

http://news.harmony-central.com/Newp/20 ... eason.html

<<< I have always thought that this kind of thing should have been a priority for CreamWare since day 1 of Pulsar's inception.

SCOPE could be the ultimate teaching tool.

- Stephen

http://www.track0.com/wavelength/

astroman · Post by **astroman** » Sun May 16, 2004 5:50 pm

I completely agree with you on the technical part of subject, but I assume the $1600 is a kind of classroom license.
To supply a complete classroom with Scope boards would be extremely difficult in the current financial situation of most German schools.

As such I don't see it as a missed opportunity, but your idea is certainly appreciated by CWA for the 'higher qualification' music or media schools, who work (or teach) on a more sophisticated level with studio gear. Good point

Btw I still remember a math teacher, who used a demo version of National Instruments LabView (a kind of SFP for laboratory equipment from the late 80s - probably the inspiration of Scope) to visualze and let students work out basic math algorithms.

cheers, Tom

paulrmartin · Post by **paulrmartin** » Sun May 16, 2004 6:45 pm

Teaching Composing and Mixing with Reason, I'll agree to that title.
Teaching MUSIC?...

wavelength · Post by **wavelength** » Mon May 17, 2004 12:20 am

yeah... what ever happened to the good old piano for teaching theory and composition?

they must be using "Music" in a very broad way...

wavelength · Post by **wavelength** » Mon May 17, 2004 12:33 am

what occurs to me here is that if a student is trained on a particular platform he/she is likely to continue working with that platform -- i mean, look at what this has done for ProTools.

it helps create a kind of standard in the industry, if the initial investment could be made to get the hardware into academic institutions, then the graduates will likely become new financial supporters of the given platform.

Bill Gates is also pretty slick this way... he "donates" PCs to schools (which is wonderful), but of course these computers will have Windoze on them and, thus, his market-share continues to grow as these students become consumers, familiar primarily with Microsoft products. the intitial donation is really an investment in the future of his business.

-stephen

huffcw · Post by **huffcw** » Mon May 17, 2004 8:48 am

I totally agree that it would be beneficial for Creamware to get some deals going with educational institutions (higher education would be the most appropriate for SCOPE).

Lots of software and hardware companies do that and can make a good amount of money, plus get their products into the hands of people who, even if they do not purchase it for themselves, get to use it and spread the word to their friends about how great it is.

As an example, I have seen deals with Berklee College of Music with Native Instruments, Applied Acoustics Systems, Clavia, etc. Creamware needs to get in on the action.

astroman · Post by **astroman** » Mon May 17, 2004 9:46 am

On 2004-05-17 01:20, wavelength wrote:
yeah... what ever happened to the good old piano for teaching theory and composition?
...

at a certain age that piano approach just shrieks people away - at least that's what I remember from my 'music lessons' at school.

Later I understood what it was good for, but the original 'offence' had resulted in neglecting musical education at all.

While Reason itself may be a rather 'poor' system in 'musical' context, it's not such a bad tool to bridge the gap and trigger some conciousness and interest for music theory.

cheers, Tom

wavelength · Post by **wavelength** » Mon May 17, 2004 10:20 am

On 2004-05-17 10:46, astroman wrote:
On 2004-05-17 01:20, wavelength wrote:
yeah... what ever happened to the good old piano for teaching theory and composition?
...
at a certain age that piano approach just shrieks people away - at least that's what I remember from my 'music lessons' at school.

Later I understood what it was good for, but the original 'offence' had resulted in neglecting musical education at all.

While Reason itself may be a rather 'poor' system in 'musical' context, it's not such a bad tool to bridge the gap and trigger some conciousness and interest for music theory.

cheers, Tom

quite true, especially in this age of computer-savvy students, familiar with GUIs and interfaces from gaming, etc... plus the timbral possibilities are opended right up.

virtualstudio · Post by **virtualstudio** » Tue May 18, 2004 3:51 pm

is this not what you guys mean?

http://www.creamware.de/en/home/educational/default.asp

astroman · Post by **astroman** » Tue May 18, 2004 4:31 pm

not exactly - it's the usual approach mainly focused on broader product placement.

Everyone does it and honestly - finally noone will care if the person in question for the purchase is in education or not.
The rules (have to) look somewhat 'frightening' just to prevent being sued immediately for improper business attitude (a special German treatment).

While at least some stuff reaches education (frequently after a detour via the enthusiasm of teachers who originally bought it for private use) - the Propellerhead approach is much more targeted.

They offer a product as an integral part of the teaching process.
There isn't even the question whose product, which would immediately turn up with an 'audio' card (as there are several manufacturers to choose from).

If a company is the first to come up with such an idea it's a huge advantage.

cheers, Tom

wavelength · Post by **wavelength** » Tue May 18, 2004 5:01 pm

On 2004-05-18 17:31, astroman wrote:
not exactly - it's the usual approach mainly focused on broader product placement.

Everyone does it and honestly - finally noone will care if the person in question for the purchase is in education or not.
The rules (have to) look somewhat 'frightening' just to prevent being sued immediately for improper business attitude (a special German treatment).

While at least some stuff reaches education (frequently after a detour via the enthusiasm of teachers who originally bought it for private use) - the Propellerhead approach is much more targeted.

They offer a product as an integral part of the teaching process.
There isn't even the question whose product, which would immediately turn up with an 'audio' card (as there are several manufacturers to choose from).

If a company is the first to come up with such an idea it's a huge advantage.

cheers, Tom

right, well said. what the people @ Propellerheads are doing is quite different; they are providing a product that shows HOW their flagship product can be used to teach students, not just giving educational pricing like everyone else. this is a huge benefit to teachers as it provides an easy entrance-point to the platform (for lack of a better word to describe 'Reason') and makes the said platform suddenly very attractive and 'friendly', from a teaching standpoint. it should give them a huge advantage... and 'kids' everywhere will soon be hip to Reason as they create their own studios -- although many of them will just steal it, anyway! (which is another advantage that CreamWare has always had over the native competition: hardware encryption)

cheers,

stephen

http://www.track0.com/wavelength/

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