Hi
I would be willing to pay a fee for up-grades.... Like Cubase SX1 to SX2 was fine £99... since then they have been 2 free 'bug' fixes.
If SFP4 is a real upgrade then we should pay something for it, say 100 Euros, if it is just a re-launch of SFP3.1c/d then it should be free.
From my poor memory... I only want about 3 bugs fixing.... Most in XTC.
Regards
kenf
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Nice post lol.On 2004-04-07 04:47, Immanuel wrote:
Don't be trolled.
Look at his name MOFO - you do know, what that means right?
Anyway, he wrote, that even bofore, he could not get half of, what he payed.
He didn't want the card before the update.
He made a purchase, that didn't fit him.
Now he blames the company.
One could always wonder, if he did his prepurchase research well enough.
Being a Creamware user since 1.3, I can certainly say, that not only bug fixes has been released.
There will always be bitchers. If the cards never dropped in price, people complain, that "even today, when CPUs are cheaper this card still costs the same".
Now CW "makes the cards cheaper" by adding extra plug-inns. I wonder, if the same whiners would cry their wounded souls out, if Creamware had just dropped the price.
Would they go "Creamware are evil. I want a refund, because I bought my card at a thigher price".
Try that at you local mall, when they sell cheap milk. "I bought this milk yesterday - I want a refund".
Or even worse, when the mall sells the milk as "get 2 - pay for 1". Do you go cry "I only got one milk yestday for the same money - I want one mroe for freeeeeee - whaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa".
Trollers are not always borring - sometimes they are even fun
And your complaining that I'm a Troll!
What is this? Creamware-Groupies vs. Creamware-Haters?
Look at this: http://www.netzmarkt.de/thomann/artikel-168941.html
A german seller sells the scope professionel for 1699€, but the free price is 5095€. That's 66% less.
Look at this: http://www.netzmarkt.de/thomann/artikel-168941.html
A german seller sells the scope professionel for 1699€, but the free price is 5095€. That's 66% less.
I think that creamware need to give to all users (old and new) the same things.
I've spent about 1400eur for a Pulsar2 3 years ago. Now the same audio cards cost 900eur.
The audio card is the same, why the 900eur user should own ALL and 1400eur user should own Nothing!?!?!?!
If the update is free or 50eur max, i will work again with creamware, also, I (and many users i think) sold my creamware card today!
(excuse me for my english!)
I've spent about 1400eur for a Pulsar2 3 years ago. Now the same audio cards cost 900eur.
The audio card is the same, why the 900eur user should own ALL and 1400eur user should own Nothing!?!?!?!
If the update is free or 50eur max, i will work again with creamware, also, I (and many users i think) sold my creamware card today!
(excuse me for my english!)
Buy a second card now!
It's a great offer!
TC done the same! Tc powercore was around 1200, now the same card is on the market called element (without master x3) for 600. I took this offer and got now double power.
What do you want?
Where is the problem?
This is marketing. Now that creamware still exists, you can sell your card for a fair price, if creamware is bankrupt, no one would buy a creamware card anymore...
It's a great offer!
TC done the same! Tc powercore was around 1200, now the same card is on the market called element (without master x3) for 600. I took this offer and got now double power.
What do you want?
Where is the problem?
This is marketing. Now that creamware still exists, you can sell your card for a fair price, if creamware is bankrupt, no one would buy a creamware card anymore...
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Okay - here comes a post, that some will hate me for. If Creamware gave you the plug-ins you are missing. What would they get? Nothing, because you don't want any more. How in the world can it be good marketing to prevent one self from having custommers?
Developers do not run on water alone. Do you think R&D money comes falling from the sky. They don't Creamware needs an income, and they do not get that by giving away their assets. They get that by selling stuff, and if they think their products compare better, when they are more equiped, then I hope they are right. And it would amase me, if they where not.
Finance is not only a nature's gift, that we all can count on - though many (incl me) seem to do so, judging from this thread. Musicians (like most people) often tend to find, that the scenario, that brings themselves the most, is the best scenario for the firm (in this case Creamware).
Developers do not run on water alone. Do you think R&D money comes falling from the sky. They don't Creamware needs an income, and they do not get that by giving away their assets. They get that by selling stuff, and if they think their products compare better, when they are more equiped, then I hope they are right. And it would amase me, if they where not.
Finance is not only a nature's gift, that we all can count on - though many (incl me) seem to do so, judging from this thread. Musicians (like most people) often tend to find, that the scenario, that brings themselves the most, is the best scenario for the firm (in this case Creamware).
p.s. I was getting to the point, where I did not want to buy plug-ins, because I expected them to show up for cheap or free. If I got free plug-ins now, it would not make me buy more plug-ins. It might actauly make me buy fewer plug-ins - not just the once, I would have had for free - also other plug-ins, that I would just expect to get for free/cheap later on.
You are wrong. If I would get the plugins for free, I definitely would have enough money to buy a 15 DSP SRB Board. But so, I probably buy nothing 'coz I only be able to afford one (Package or Board). But without more DSP I don't need the Plugins and without the Plugins I don't need more DSP, certainly. So I take the money to buy stuff for my flat or new clothes (at the moment I run around with damaged clothes 'coz normaly the music-stuff has always priorityOn 2004-04-07 08:46, Immanuel wrote:
Okay - here comes a post, that some will hate me for. If Creamware gave you the plug-ins you are missing. What would they get? Nothing, because you don't want any more.
).yep... immanuel i agree with you...
...and thats what i tried to explain.
Sure its sad not to get the BIIIIG stuff for free. But when i look to my actual stuff which was delivered with my Powerpulsar i am still happy with it.
It's also true that the prices getting lower.. even of the CW products.
I can remember my complete Intel386DX25 System i bought in the early 90ties for about 2500 Euro!!! now i would get much much much more for less money... thats the way of time and CW-Cards are also PC-Equip... It's wonderful the prices of CW-Cards are not falling that much than the rest of the PC-Stuff...
Finally i would like to see CW alive and support them with buying from here to there a plugin than getting all the stuff and drive CW into insolvency again... just my 2 cents...
Cheerz
GenocidE
...and thats what i tried to explain.
Sure its sad not to get the BIIIIG stuff for free. But when i look to my actual stuff which was delivered with my Powerpulsar i am still happy with it.
It's also true that the prices getting lower.. even of the CW products.
I can remember my complete Intel386DX25 System i bought in the early 90ties for about 2500 Euro!!! now i would get much much much more for less money... thats the way of time and CW-Cards are also PC-Equip... It's wonderful the prices of CW-Cards are not falling that much than the rest of the PC-Stuff...
Finally i would like to see CW alive and support them with buying from here to there a plugin than getting all the stuff and drive CW into insolvency again... just my 2 cents...
Cheerz
GenocidE
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Why not just buy a new board?...Then you will get the free plugins being offered since they come with the board. Your example doesn't seem to make sense in this case.On 2004-04-07 09:11, Jan Nolte wrote:
You are wrong. If I would get the plugins for free, I definitely would have enough money to buy a 15 DSP SRB Board. But so, I probably buy nothing 'coz I only be able to afford one (Package or Board). But without more DSP I don't need the Plugins and without the Plugins I don't need more DSP, certainly. So I take the money to buy stuff for my flat or new clothes (at the moment I run around with damaged clothes 'coz normaly the music-stuff has always priority
I would love to get all the plugins free for my PowerPulsar board, but that would be an unheard of offer in this industry or any industry.
I do think giving the plugins to current users would have great potentional for some major positive PR for Creamware (although, the people who purchased the plugins already will not be happy about it... maybe they could get some software credits to use toward something else instead). This kind of concept that makes people feel like they are making an investment in the future (buy the card now and you will get all types of new things in the future) can really make a difference in people being willing to fork over major $ for something.
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'Coz a new board is more expensive than a srb. Also I would pay twice for the basic-software (Effects etc.) because I still have a Pulsar 2 (I also have done this before, 'coz I bought a Pulsar 1 before this).On 2004-04-07 09:39, powerpulsarian wrote:
Why not just buy a new board?...Then you will get the free plugins being offered since they come with the board. Your example doesn't seem to make sense in this case.
I still have to scrape my money for a srb, a new board is un-get-at-able for me.
anyone, who complains about not enough free software, got some work to offer ?
free of charge, just for the fun of doing it ?
reminds me at a captain of luxury yacht, who was asked about the owners of the ship:
how are those people who can get anything money can buy ?
...well, they are among the most unhappy ones I've seen, living in a constant fear of missing something, somewhere in the world, seriously...
learn your tools - the ones you can afford
cheers, Tom
free of charge, just for the fun of doing it ?
reminds me at a captain of luxury yacht, who was asked about the owners of the ship:
how are those people who can get anything money can buy ?
...well, they are among the most unhappy ones I've seen, living in a constant fear of missing something, somewhere in the world, seriously...
learn your tools - the ones you can afford
cheers, Tom
yeah, it would be interesting to know about the success of this approach.On 2004-04-07 09:32, bosone wrote:
...i can't believe a kicking ass pack like flexor could costed me 99eur...
Adern wanted everyone to be able to afford the package (afaik) - I'm not too optimistic, tough.
But honestly, in this case I'd really love to be proved wrong
cheers, Tom
Another ancle to the story:
If old users got the plug-ins for free, used cards would stand harder against new cards. Now however, new cards stand quite hard against used cards.
Too bad for the people wanting to sell used cards (don't buy pc gear to sell it later - buy it to keep it untill you buy something else). But good for the people, who wanting to sell new cards - the people, that will eventually feed Creamware - and thereby eventually feed us with an updated product.
If old users got the plug-ins for free, used cards would stand harder against new cards. Now however, new cards stand quite hard against used cards.
Too bad for the people wanting to sell used cards (don't buy pc gear to sell it later - buy it to keep it untill you buy something else). But good for the people, who wanting to sell new cards - the people, that will eventually feed Creamware - and thereby eventually feed us with an updated product.
The moral of all of this is:
If you are considering buying another Pulsar in the future, don't bother to buy any software because you might be throwing away your money.
I am considering buying a new Pulsar Card and I already paid for a lot of the stuff they are giving for free, so there ought to be an option or a credit for those of us who already own the software to get something else instead. Please note that I don't want to go through the trouble of selling my redundant software options on Ebay. The STS and the Modular synth and updates were very expensive for me. I don't need 2 of them. I have a real problem with selling big bundles at expensive prices.
It's just like cable TV. You have to pay for 100 channels and 95 of them you don't want.
The only reason that CW can get away with this is because they have a unique product and you can't go somewhere else to get it.
If you are considering buying another Pulsar in the future, don't bother to buy any software because you might be throwing away your money.
I am considering buying a new Pulsar Card and I already paid for a lot of the stuff they are giving for free, so there ought to be an option or a credit for those of us who already own the software to get something else instead. Please note that I don't want to go through the trouble of selling my redundant software options on Ebay. The STS and the Modular synth and updates were very expensive for me. I don't need 2 of them. I have a real problem with selling big bundles at expensive prices.
It's just like cable TV. You have to pay for 100 channels and 95 of them you don't want.
The only reason that CW can get away with this is because they have a unique product and you can't go somewhere else to get it.
I think you are not fully uptodate on this one Braincell. The MM/SS packs are not going for free to the old custommers. You will not get them now for free. It still makes a difference to you, that you bought them.
And your statement excatly underscores my points. Many of us would stop buying plug-ins, if we expected them to come for free later on. And we would expect that, if we saw it happen several times.
And your statement excatly underscores my points. Many of us would stop buying plug-ins, if we expected them to come for free later on. And we would expect that, if we saw it happen several times.
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If I am understanding Braincell correctly, he's not talking about getting free plugins for his current card but the idea of all the free plugins being offered with a new card. If he buys a new card that now includes all of the plugins, he will have redundant plugins that he would need to sell (which is a pain).
So, what he is saying is... if you are thinking of buying any plugins from Creamware to use with your current card, you might as well wait until Creamware comes out with their latest offer of bundled plugins that come free with a card and just buy a new card. That would be more efficient use of your money.
This kind of thinking could lead people to hold off on buying any plugins from Creamware with the idea that they may be offered free bundled with a card shortly.
Of course, you would be leaving a lot to chance to hold off and you would be wasting a lot of your time you could be using the plugins (which is definitely worth something).
Now, his idea of offering credits to use toward whatever plugins you want is a good one. That would allow the most flexibility for people who already have purchased the plugins for their old card.
In other words, the way it is structured now, the offer isn't as good of deal for someone who already owns one card if they have already purchased some of the plugins that come free (it's a better deal for a brand new user who owns nothing). Why not equalize this and make it as good of deal for current users as it is for brand new people? Creamware could give credits instead that allow you to select plugins you don't already own. It would encourage more current Pulsar owners to buy a new card than the current structure does since many people who already own a card already have many of the plugins that are now being bundled for free as an incentive.
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So, what he is saying is... if you are thinking of buying any plugins from Creamware to use with your current card, you might as well wait until Creamware comes out with their latest offer of bundled plugins that come free with a card and just buy a new card. That would be more efficient use of your money.
This kind of thinking could lead people to hold off on buying any plugins from Creamware with the idea that they may be offered free bundled with a card shortly.
Of course, you would be leaving a lot to chance to hold off and you would be wasting a lot of your time you could be using the plugins (which is definitely worth something).
Now, his idea of offering credits to use toward whatever plugins you want is a good one. That would allow the most flexibility for people who already have purchased the plugins for their old card.
In other words, the way it is structured now, the offer isn't as good of deal for someone who already owns one card if they have already purchased some of the plugins that come free (it's a better deal for a brand new user who owns nothing). Why not equalize this and make it as good of deal for current users as it is for brand new people? Creamware could give credits instead that allow you to select plugins you don't already own. It would encourage more current Pulsar owners to buy a new card than the current structure does since many people who already own a card already have many of the plugins that are now being bundled for free as an incentive.
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