Mac - Sound Manager Source/Dest SFP 3.1c

AudioIrony · Post by **AudioIrony** » Tue Apr 06, 2004 9:22 pm

This is probably a bit late in the piece, what with Scope 4.0 on the horizon and all..... but

I have been experimenting with routings and only just noticed that my install of SFP 3.1c doesn't have Sound Manager I/O modules. I have kept my old Pulsar install and found sound man source/dest and 24sound man source/dest

After copying the modules to my SFP install and using them in a background/startup project - they seem to work fine for a while, then programs start to refuse to load with a -3 error message.

Does anyone know if these I/O modules were purposefully left out because they are crap?

I still have a problem with SFP not starting up with my designated start project (loads my default New project instead) and when I click on the "startup" menu item from the Live Bar - SFP just crashes and burns - freezing my Mac. loading the same project manually works fine - then I get Mac system errors on program launches.

I will quickly mention some other problems that still happen.

1. graphics get screwed up when moving them from my main monitor to my second monitor. I get distortion and multiple copies of my cursor all over the graphics making them unusable. If I move my mouse really quickly and drag a mixer or whatever to my second monitor - the graphics are at least recognisable.

2. Mod III randomly quits or freezes on me when I'm adding modules in the Modular III window.

I still mourn for the loss of the Background Application - this implementation worked really well on my system.

I really hope there are some bug fixes in Scope 4.0 for Macintosh.

[ This Message was edited by: blgrace on 2004-04-06 23:45 ]

borg · Post by **borg** » Wed Apr 07, 2004 2:44 am

hi,

i used to have pulsar 2.04 for years on my internet partition, but recently upgraded this to 3.1c. now i use the wave sources without problems. well... when first using real player, quiting that, then opening iTunes does freeze the system though.

on the DAW partition, i used to have the graphical problems too, but this a thing from the past too (since long). don't know what made it go away... was it the 3.1c for me? or is it just that i'm not using cubase 5.1 anymore on mac? i just got me a nice second monitor, and all is fine, except, some plugs don't like it... they drag to the second one just fine, but when releasing the mouse button, they jump immediately back to the main monitor. this happens with all celmo plugs...

me, i just want to be able to scroll on my mac here...

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[ This Message was edited by: borg on 2004-04-07 13:22 ]

samplaire · Post by **samplaire** » Wed Apr 07, 2004 2:56 am

wave drivers are crap. Forget about them for your good health

About the graphics. I don't have dual monitor system (regardless it's dual head card or 2 cards) but AFAIK there was a dual screen bugfix somewhere in the past. I don't remember if it was designed for 2.04 software, 3.0 or SFP. I don't really remember. The issues you get look like your card's drivers - wrong memory interpretation.

About the 3 error - it refers to memory management and sometimes means just nothing (or means the soft is badly written or supposed to use with another version of system software). BTW which MacOS you use? What is your machine? I recommend 9.2.2 for SFP 3.1c. I'm not a techie guy but the things I write here are my observations or error base knowledge.

at0m · Post by **at0m** » Wed Apr 07, 2004 3:06 am

Huub is very strong with graphics - he's on mac too you know, I'm sure he can fix that.
Huub?

Post by **hubird** » Wed Apr 07, 2004 6:17 am

just read it...
You won't believe how bad I am in solving problems, really.
My probably irritating jokes now and then directed to the pc world come streight from that fact, it's just fear for troubles, honestly.

I had those graphic distortions too in the past, mostly along with other, Peak/ASIO, problems.
After I changed back to standard the names of all programs as well as aliasses the problems seemed to have gone.
You know, I used empty spaces in front of the names in the Apple/Menu aliasses, to keep the preferred order.

It also can be the graphic problems are related with ASIO troubles, in fact all problems always seemed to be related to ASIO, which is the weak spot in the system, that's why OS-X is created.
F.i., never close SFP before closing Cubase (or other audio/ASIO PRG) if ASIO running betweem them...

I spend a lot of time to get every program routable via the ASIO-Soundmanager through my Pulsar, partly I cucceeded, but at the end I gave up in the past.

Half a year ago I thought let's try it again with iTunes, because I really wanted to listen to the internet radio through my Pulsar!
So, me too I couln't find the Soundmanager src/dest mods anymore in 3.1c??

I took back the old ones and they seemed to work as expected.
Samplaire told me the Wave Source mods can be used instead, and indeed I could perfectly replace the old SM mods with them!

Unlike Samplaire I have three of them in my default project, and I was able to use more than one audio program at the same time.

but it also led to a few crashes and some instability, depending on the type of program, so you better keep away from that.
But I WAS very proud to see and hear two different sound sources played at the same time, visible as incoming signals in the Pulsar mixer

I guess you know all the standard trick to solve problems on a mac:
renewing the preferences (specially the ASIO and graphics card ones), changing the settings of the Sound controll panel to default (build in), disabling the ASIO SM routings in your audioprograms before renewing the prefs and after that restart once those programs and restart again the computer, etc, etc.
Once I forced a solution by renewing all prefs at once, keeping the old apart to put them back later (startup from a bootable cdrom or second harddisk).
(A few prefs you can't renew like that, but the system lets you know).

Another problem causing thing can be a doubled OMS folder.
If you have a copy of your System folder on a second partition, the doubled OMS folder in it slows down your computer heavily, and may be the graphics could also suffer from this.

What about heat?
Recently I saw one of my air outlets was totally covered with dust.
Or maybe you moved the comp towards a heat source.

Oh man, I hate troubles like this, it can be anything.
Did you check if the mac's current supply is capable of running all the cards you have installed?
You never know.

I hope you'll fix it somehow, keep us informed please

samplaire · Post by **samplaire** » Wed Apr 07, 2004 6:56 am

I guess you know all the standard trick to solve problems on a mac:
renewing the preferences (specially the ASIO and graphics card ones)

standard doesn't mean crappy

I think this would help, really:
"monitor prefs"
"appearance prefs"
"quicktime prefs"
*It's sometimes you can change the second monitor's resolution for a while
*zap pram with tech tool lite ( http://www.macupdate.com/download.php/5 ... te-304.hqx )
*rebuild desktop file also with the techtool

Hope this helps just a little

AudioIrony · Post by **AudioIrony** » Wed Apr 07, 2004 8:07 am

Thanks for all your suggestions guys - much appreciated. I think it's probably time to do a complete reinstall of my Mac OS 9 - I'm running 9.2.2 on a G4 867 with 1GB ram. I haven't done a fresh intall in almost 3 years - so maybe it's time. As far as running badly coded programs that crash - it was QuickTime Player and the sound control panel - but that was when I was using the Sound man source/dest modules - I've already given up on that

I also have both Pulsar 3 and SFP 3.1c installed on the same drive because I hated SFP and relied on Pulsar 3.0 background application.. I'll just delete the whole drive and start again

[ This Message was edited by: blgrace on 2004-04-07 09:22 ]

Post by **hubird** » Wed Apr 07, 2004 8:49 am

good luck Blgrace, I'm going to do the same at the moment, my system is also 3 years old.
It's easier than solving weird problems, tho it just costs much time, but the award is a clean computer.
lucky installing again

cheerz

AudioIrony · Post by **AudioIrony** » Wed Apr 07, 2004 9:58 am

WAIT WAIT WAIT - GREAT NEWS!!!
All I did was, as you suggested, and deleted some System preferences - made a minimal startup extension set and zapped the pram - now SFP is working like magic!!!
I'm so happy - I don't think I've seen it work this well for I don't know how long. No more graphic glitches - the StartUp Project still doesn't load on startup - but I don't care for the moment - just so happy to have a snappy Mac back.
Thanks so much for all the help I got here

Happy Happy Happy

Just an update - seems the problem is with the Appearance Extension and my desktop pictures - removing pictures from my desktop stops the graphic distortion... hmmmm

[ This Message was edited by: blgrace on 2004-04-07 11:24 ]

Post by **hubird** » Wed Apr 07, 2004 11:45 am

happy for you!!
Samplaire was most close, moreover, he shoot the rose!!

About the startup project: you could try to replace the used elements by new ones, and carefully define it again as startup, don't forget to rename it under 'file'.
I let SFP startup automaticly by the mac system, place an alias of Pulsar prg in Systemfolder/startup programs.
You probably know this already, anyway

cheerz

AudioIrony · Post by **AudioIrony** » Wed Apr 07, 2004 6:15 pm

About the startup project: you could try to replace the used elements by new ones, and carefully define it again as startup, don't forget to rename it under 'file'.
I let SFP startup automaticly by the mac system, place an alias of Pulsar prg in Systemfolder/startup programs.
You probably know this already, anyway
cheerz

Yeah - I have always had SFP starting up in the same way - but it still loads my default new project and not my startup project that I have defined in the settings/projects. I still get a freeze if I try and load the startup project from the startup item in the Live Bar.
I'm not sure what you mean by "be careful to rename it under file" ?

AudioIrony · Post by **AudioIrony** » Wed Apr 07, 2004 8:50 pm

Post by **hubird** » Wed Apr 07, 2004 9:04 pm

On 2004-04-07 19:15, blgrace wrote:
I'm not sure what you mean by "be careful to rename it under file" ?

I mean the project name as shown in the life bar ('under 'File')

Plato · Post by **Plato** » Thu Apr 08, 2004 4:54 am

On 2004-04-07 07:17, hubird wrote:
just read it...
You won't believe how bad I am in solving problems, really.
My probably irritating jokes now and then directed to the pc world come streight from that fact, it's just fear for troubles, honestly.

You mean all is not perfect in Mac Nirvana ?
Poor lamb

samplaire · Post by **samplaire** » Thu Apr 08, 2004 6:00 am

On 2004-04-07 09:07, blgrace wrote:
I also have both Pulsar 3 and SFP 3.1c installed on the same drive because I hated SFP and relied on Pulsar 3.0 background application.. I'll just delete the whole drive and start again

As mentioned on the CW old site (somewhere in the knowledge database) - it's safe to have both 3.0 and SFP installs. I do have them both because I still have some old projects not finished (I know, 2 years or so

). Some of the old projects are just my not finished ideas which wait for the refreshement of thoughts. So 3.0 and SFP live side by side in peace

[ This Message was edited by: samplaire on 2004-04-08 07:01 ]

samplaire · Post by **samplaire** » Thu Apr 08, 2004 6:05 am

On 2004-04-08 05:54, Plato wrote:
On 2004-04-07 07:17, hubird wrote:
just read it...
You won't believe how bad I am in solving problems, really.
My probably irritating jokes now and then directed to the pc world come streight from that fact, it's just fear for troubles, honestly.
You mean all is not perfect in Mac Nirvana ?
Poor lamb

I think Hubird says he doesn't encounter problems so he dosn't know how to manage them if one appears

You see, 3 years without system re-install isn't that obvious in the win ruled world

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[ This Message was edited by: samplaire on 2004-04-08 07:06 ]

Plato · Post by **Plato** » Thu Apr 08, 2004 6:13 am

[/quote]
I think Hubird says he doesn't encounter problems so he dosn't know how to manage them if one appears

You see, 3 years without system re-install isn't that obvious in the win ruled world

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[ This Message was edited by: samplaire on 2004-04-08 07:06 ]
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samplaire · Post by **samplaire** » Thu Apr 08, 2004 6:24 am

On 2004-04-08 07:13, Plato wrote:
???????**%$£"!????????

Plato · Post by **Plato** » Thu Apr 08, 2004 6:38 am

So, let me get this straight....
When you buy a Mac, you get someone to fight your own battles thrown in?
Wow, must look into that

samplaire · Post by **samplaire** » Thu Apr 08, 2004 7:30 am

Please, don't make fun of me

I don't speak English everyday.