The headaches I've had because of this card where huge (when the mac version came out it was not pretty). I also paid alot of money for the privlige of beta testing.
Please creamware don't screw me out of something that will actually make me use my card again.
I will have my fingers crossed.
We should get what ever plugins new users get.
If CWA should do bussiness, so noone got upset, they should do no bussiness at all.
If old custommers don't get the new packages for free - they become upset.
If old custommers, who already payed for those packages see, that everyone will get them for free - they will become upset.
If CWA brings nothing new - many people will become upset.
If old custommers don't get the new packages for free - they become upset.
If old custommers, who already payed for those packages see, that everyone will get them for free - they will become upset.
If CWA brings nothing new - many people will become upset.
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When you bought your CW product did you receive a paper that said "paying money now will entitle you to receive everything we develop in the future for free" ?On 2004-03-31 17:25, MOFO wrote:
The headaches I've had because of this card where huge (when the mac version came out it was not pretty). I also paid alot of money for the privlige of beta testing.
Please creamware don't screw me out of something that will actually make me use my card again.
I will have my fingers crossed.
I didn't think so.
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I agree with King of Snake...,
CW has no obligation whatsoever to support forever to old users.. , no company in the world has to do that.., Many of us remember the famous Korg card Oasys, it was a good card and despite the fact Korg is a strong company, when they decided to quit support for the card , they did not asked users about their thinking.... I guess something similar happened with korg 12/12 audio card too. I consider myself very lucky with CW support so far.
CW has no obligation whatsoever to support forever to old users.. , no company in the world has to do that.., Many of us remember the famous Korg card Oasys, it was a good card and despite the fact Korg is a strong company, when they decided to quit support for the card , they did not asked users about their thinking.... I guess something similar happened with korg 12/12 audio card too. I consider myself very lucky with CW support so far.
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powerpulsarian
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If you want the free plugins, you need to support Creamware by purchasing another card for your system.
Be happy that you are getting the update for free. Most companies charge a fee for a new version (at least if there are significant enhancements, and sometimes even if there are only minor enhancements).
(Although, there is an advantage to Creamware to offer the update for free because then they don't have to worry about continuing support for the old version.)
Of course, it would be great to get the free plugins offered with the new cards as part of the update. That would be an amazing gesture by Creamware for current users that would be unmatched by anybody else in the business, but it wouldn't make much business sense for them. It would definitely be unexpected. Think of the positive PR! Potential new users seeing that kind of gesture by a company could lure them in with the idea that this company truely takes a different approach.
I will have to admit, I would be pretty mad if I just purchased a card and then all of the sudden this deal is available. But it really isn't any different than if you purchased a card just before the Christmas deals (which come out each year).
Be happy that you are getting the update for free. Most companies charge a fee for a new version (at least if there are significant enhancements, and sometimes even if there are only minor enhancements).
(Although, there is an advantage to Creamware to offer the update for free because then they don't have to worry about continuing support for the old version.)
Of course, it would be great to get the free plugins offered with the new cards as part of the update. That would be an amazing gesture by Creamware for current users that would be unmatched by anybody else in the business, but it wouldn't make much business sense for them. It would definitely be unexpected. Think of the positive PR! Potential new users seeing that kind of gesture by a company could lure them in with the idea that this company truely takes a different approach.
I will have to admit, I would be pretty mad if I just purchased a card and then all of the sudden this deal is available. But it really isn't any different than if you purchased a card just before the Christmas deals (which come out each year).
When I bought my card it didn't have a piece of paper that said this will not work well in your mac for atleast a year either.
But I probably shoudn't bring that up.
As far as a paid update goes thats fine by me as long as it's a fair price.
Have a nice day
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But I probably shoudn't bring that up.
As far as a paid update goes thats fine by me as long as it's a fair price.
Have a nice day
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King of Snake
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well it's not really a question of support, it's about wether every time CW decides to attrackt new users with some free plugin bundles, they should also give all their existing users the same. While of course we would all very much want that, I'm just sceptical that this will happen.On 2004-03-31 18:14, snoopy4ever wrote:
I agree with King of Snake...,
CW has no obligation whatsoever to support forever to old users.. , no company in the world has to do that.., Many of us remember the famous Korg card Oasys, it was a good card and despite the fact Korg is a strong company, when they decided to quit support for the card , they did not asked users about their thinking.... I guess something similar happened with korg 12/12 audio card too. I consider myself very lucky with CW support so far.
...and then everybody would wait for the next release to get all plugs for free... (?)
I don't bother financing some of their developement (the usual situation in high tech) as long as it somehow fits my needs.
Bundles and special offers are common practize in todays business.
One doesn't buy computers immediately before CeBit or gear before MusikMesse, NAMM Show etc
cheers, Tom
I don't bother financing some of their developement (the usual situation in high tech) as long as it somehow fits my needs.
Bundles and special offers are common practize in todays business.
One doesn't buy computers immediately before CeBit or gear before MusikMesse, NAMM Show etc
cheers, Tom
The subject of what CWA are now planning to do now annoys me seeing I've paid megabucks to get all the CWA plugins I have and now they're giving them all away!!!
go figure!
On that note, make everyone pay for them - i've had to - and if they give them all away how they gonna make money. I can see it last year happening all over again!
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go figure!
On that note, make everyone pay for them - i've had to - and if they give them all away how they gonna make money. I can see it last year happening all over again!
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Although, you have to remember that you have had the plugins and were able to use them before this release. I guess it comes down to the value of time (in other words, how much is it worth as far as having the plugins and being able to use them during the time they were not bundled and included free).On 2004-04-01 08:44, deejaysly wrote:
The subject of what CWA are now planning to do now annoys me seeing I've paid megabucks to get all the CWA plugins I have and now they're giving them all away!!!
By the way, has there been anything official stating that the plugins will be free to current users? It seems like a dangerous assumption to make if nothing has been stated for sure.
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No - it has not been stated in a clear enough way for me to realy believe it.
Fortune stated (with a quote from cwaudio.de), that current users will get the new software for free. The thing, that has not been cleared to us users yet is ... are the MM/SS packs part of the software - or are they seperate extras for future custommers?
Fortune stated (with a quote from cwaudio.de), that current users will get the new software for free. The thing, that has not been cleared to us users yet is ... are the MM/SS packs part of the software - or are they seperate extras for future custommers?
One more note, that goes to show, that we have absolutely NO reasonable back-ground to discuss, what is fair:
Maybe the new cards will come with more software.
Maybe the price will not change.
I don't say the price will change, but I say, that we are talking about a car, and we are judging it by looking at a picture from last year. And by the way, the picture was showing only the trunk. It's all nice to yell out, scream, talk sense, be reasonable, be craving ... but we do not know, what we are talking about - do we?
Maybe the new cards will come with more software.
Maybe the price will not change.
I don't say the price will change, but I say, that we are talking about a car, and we are judging it by looking at a picture from last year. And by the way, the picture was showing only the trunk. It's all nice to yell out, scream, talk sense, be reasonable, be craving ... but we do not know, what we are talking about - do we?
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I don't believe that we should hope for such sensations that creamware would give the bundles for free.
This makes no sense. It won't happen. Every user could choose in the shop, which package he/she wants ???? Hä? And people with multiple cards? I'd choose synthpack for one mixpack for the second card .... This is nonsence. Stay on the ground.
It's kind of a sensation, that owners of a 15dsp card will be able to get SDK. This will spread device developement. Wonderfull! I'm a bit sad, that a 15dsp card is necessary, but I understand that strategie.
I hope that prices will be reduced, and that there will be even more marketing goodies, for making creamwarecards more popular, but for shure, they won't give away their bundles for free (for existing users).
Hmmm... what should I do when I lose this bet ;o)))) ? I'll make all my music downloadable for free!! Haha. I'm too funny today. http://www.besonic.com/mccyrano
Martin
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This makes no sense. It won't happen. Every user could choose in the shop, which package he/she wants ???? Hä? And people with multiple cards? I'd choose synthpack for one mixpack for the second card .... This is nonsence. Stay on the ground.
It's kind of a sensation, that owners of a 15dsp card will be able to get SDK. This will spread device developement. Wonderfull! I'm a bit sad, that a 15dsp card is necessary, but I understand that strategie.
I hope that prices will be reduced, and that there will be even more marketing goodies, for making creamwarecards more popular, but for shure, they won't give away their bundles for free (for existing users).
Hmmm... what should I do when I lose this bet ;o)))) ? I'll make all my music downloadable for free!! Haha. I'm too funny today. http://www.besonic.com/mccyrano
Martin
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These bundles that we all are talking about has been offered for free since last november. remember the X-deal special.
every "new" 6 DSP card gets ONE packs
Every "new" 15 DSP gets TWO packs
these special went beyond their Dec 31 deadline and are still being offered today.
I think CWA beleived that was a good combo for 2004 and decided to continue with this special coupled with the renaming of the products to simplify it.
The only difference is the Luna as now it is bundles with the STS and Mod II instead of the vocodizer.I think that is fair. maybe the price will be different for Luna I. this to be seen.
So those who bought their 6 or 15 DSP 5 months ago should not worry as they got what they would get with sfp 4.0
But there was no complain back then so why now. why would I who own a pulsar 1 for more than 5 years now must get new software updates and also plugins for free. then Why would anyone buy a new card. I can get me a pulsar I for about 300 bucks or less used and get the 4.0 for free with all the trimming of a new pulsar II for a fraction of the cost. (for the ulli driver ican add a used luna II for those who want to argue the 4 chips v 6 and the ULLI drivers)
If CWA offered 4.0 for little money we would all have said WOW that is fair. But now that SFP 4.0 is Free. some say what?? that is not fair as we need all the new software with it too. We all forget that CWA is trying to climb back from a hole and that is by far the worst thing they would do. does it make any logical sense to give software that are selling on their shop for free so I who bought CW 5 years ago feel good.
like some gents said on this forum. buy a new card and get those software. in this you would have achieved 2 goals.
1. get up to date hardware/software and more DSP
2. supported a company that has been offering free update software at no charge for years.
just a thought.
every "new" 6 DSP card gets ONE packs
Every "new" 15 DSP gets TWO packs
these special went beyond their Dec 31 deadline and are still being offered today.
I think CWA beleived that was a good combo for 2004 and decided to continue with this special coupled with the renaming of the products to simplify it.
The only difference is the Luna as now it is bundles with the STS and Mod II instead of the vocodizer.I think that is fair. maybe the price will be different for Luna I. this to be seen.
So those who bought their 6 or 15 DSP 5 months ago should not worry as they got what they would get with sfp 4.0
But there was no complain back then so why now. why would I who own a pulsar 1 for more than 5 years now must get new software updates and also plugins for free. then Why would anyone buy a new card. I can get me a pulsar I for about 300 bucks or less used and get the 4.0 for free with all the trimming of a new pulsar II for a fraction of the cost. (for the ulli driver ican add a used luna II for those who want to argue the 4 chips v 6 and the ULLI drivers)
If CWA offered 4.0 for little money we would all have said WOW that is fair. But now that SFP 4.0 is Free. some say what?? that is not fair as we need all the new software with it too. We all forget that CWA is trying to climb back from a hole and that is by far the worst thing they would do. does it make any logical sense to give software that are selling on their shop for free so I who bought CW 5 years ago feel good.
like some gents said on this forum. buy a new card and get those software. in this you would have achieved 2 goals.
1. get up to date hardware/software and more DSP
2. supported a company that has been offering free update software at no charge for years.
just a thought.
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I completely agree that it is very unlikely that the packs are included in the update. I think it is all in the wording on the new web site and in the announcements that is causing the issue/confusion.
The wording seems to suggest that the synth n' sampler and mix n' master packs are part of the 4.0 update rather than tied to buying a new card as an extra.
If it was worded more like the X-mas specials, then I don't think there would be any confusion. People would then understand that Creamware are just offering the packs permanently for all new card purchases (not intergrated as part of the 4.0 software update).
The wording on the web site and announcements are geared to new users considering buying a card rather than current users updating to 4.0 (there should be a note for current users right there explaining that it applies for new purchases only).
I would love to be wrong about Creamware's intentions, but I doubt that I am.
The wording seems to suggest that the synth n' sampler and mix n' master packs are part of the 4.0 update rather than tied to buying a new card as an extra.
If it was worded more like the X-mas specials, then I don't think there would be any confusion. People would then understand that Creamware are just offering the packs permanently for all new card purchases (not intergrated as part of the 4.0 software update).
The wording on the web site and announcements are geared to new users considering buying a card rather than current users updating to 4.0 (there should be a note for current users right there explaining that it applies for new purchases only).
I would love to be wrong about Creamware's intentions, but I doubt that I am.
What's to complain, they haven't set up the new shop and download pages yet... 
I'm confident it'll be as before: you get the OS for free, and new cards come with another device pack. Usually, they do some special for existing users to catch up. I love CW's update policy.
I paid big bucks to stay current with Cubase, time on time again, and I'm gonna sell it.
I'm confident it'll be as before: you get the OS for free, and new cards come with another device pack. Usually, they do some special for existing users to catch up. I love CW's update policy.
I paid big bucks to stay current with Cubase, time on time again, and I'm gonna sell it.
Okay, I've been touting much about free plugins.
I don't mean people who bought Luna should get all new plugins for free. When I bought Scope, it was the flagship, with all the plugs. And it was more than a few euros. Sometime ago (I've been told so) having Scope justified for getting all new plugs. Why did CW change that?
What old Scope has now? A bunch of old, outdated synths (compared to the new miracles).
I think Scope is not the best sold CW gear, that it would harm CW too much to pamper a little those who were willing to pay for the best of bests.
Given that Scope's list price is lowered about 2000euros from the time I bought it (and it isn't so long ago!), I expect some value for my investment.
But if my dream won't become true, CW please, make the NOAH more affordable, and I'll buy it (and thus getting those mighty plugs).
I don't mean people who bought Luna should get all new plugins for free. When I bought Scope, it was the flagship, with all the plugs. And it was more than a few euros. Sometime ago (I've been told so) having Scope justified for getting all new plugs. Why did CW change that?
What old Scope has now? A bunch of old, outdated synths (compared to the new miracles).
I think Scope is not the best sold CW gear, that it would harm CW too much to pamper a little those who were willing to pay for the best of bests.
Given that Scope's list price is lowered about 2000euros from the time I bought it (and it isn't so long ago!), I expect some value for my investment.
But if my dream won't become true, CW please, make the NOAH more affordable, and I'll buy it (and thus getting those mighty plugs).