CW looking for experienced OSX and Linux hackers

wsippel · Post by **wsippel** » Fri Mar 19, 2004 6:35 pm

@Mr Arkadin
Well, we have some Linux coders (one doing the driver, the
other one working on the SFP).
But we still need someone with OSX coding skills...

@braincell
I don't think we'll see Cubase or Wavelab on Linux anytime
soon. Did you ever try MusE, Audacity, ReZound, Rosegarden
or Ardour?

scary808 · Post by **scary808** » Fri Mar 19, 2004 6:50 pm

On 2004-03-19 18:14, Mr Arkadin wrote:
Forget XTC man - let's get the much more flexible SFP to OSX first.

[ This Message was edited by: Mr Arkadin on 2004-03-19 18:15 ]

I personally never use XTC mode. I think that many people can't quite get thier heads around SFP(until they try it)though. Having DSP synths/FX running directly within DigPerf or Logic would be very atractive to a potential buyer. Some would buy it for that function & then realize (insert Masterverb here)"the mighty POWER that is SFP". I agree SFP OSX needs to be out pronto but this "AU XTC mode" could be a nice feature to be added at a future date.

[ This Message was edited by: scary808 on 2004-03-19 19:05 ]

Shayne White · Post by **Shayne White** » Fri Mar 19, 2004 7:01 pm

On 2004-03-19 17:58, wsippel wrote:
@Shayne White
I think there are 3.3V<->5V PCI adapters available - Tyan offers
those things. http://www.tyan.com
The M2037 may work...

It was really hard to find, and I don't think it's something that would work with SFP. Again, 3.3v support is crucial to any kind of success on the Mac. You don't need to transition to PCI-X or PCI Express just yet -- just add the extra notch!

Good luck!

Shayne

wsippel · Post by **wsippel** » Fri Mar 19, 2004 9:22 pm

@braincell
This might be of interest for you (and everyone thinking
about Linux as DAW):
http://www.soundonsound.com/sos/Feb03/a ... xaudio.asp

scary808 · Post by **scary808** » Fri Mar 19, 2004 10:20 pm

I know I've gone on record as a Linux nay-sayer but this article is VERY interesting...

interloper · Post by **interloper** » Sat Mar 20, 2004 12:19 am

OSX & Linux? Now that's what I call progress. Linux alone can give SFP some serious edge in the industry. No time like the present to get started on this, since there will be problems, but the great thing about software is that it can be updated.

Then coming full circle with OSX? Ahem, CW is not f@#$ing around...

dehuszar · Post by **dehuszar** » Sat Mar 20, 2004 12:54 am

Holy SMOKES! Way to flex your niche! I don't know any C++ coding, but as an avid Linux user, I may drop the great beast entirely if this takes off! I may have to find some tiny little porto drive to boot XP off of just for certain tech jobs... or find a way to set up an XP Live kind of deal (like SuSE 9.0 live)!

The only drawback is, I'm exhausted, and now you've got me sifting through Linux Audio websites getting all riled up!

Sam

bassdude · Post by **bassdude** » Sat Mar 20, 2004 3:16 am

On 2004-03-19 11:05, wsippel wrote:
Hi.
We just started an effort to port the SFP to Linux,
coordinated by Frank Hund of Creamware and myself.
This is a community-effort, so we're still looking
for some capable coders to join the Scope4Linux
project. If you want to help out, read on!

.......

Well this seems legit! At first I thought it was a hoax!

Good luck with this. All I use windows sequencer apps for is a tape deck. Everything else is done in SFP so this would be great for me!

coc999 · Post by **coc999** » Sat Mar 20, 2004 5:05 am

great news , i ' ll be there

that's great to know that somebody takes care about mac users .

arela · Post by **arela** » Sat Mar 20, 2004 5:08 am

yes good luck with "not so expected" project.
I'm thinking for the future, maybe no MS logos on my PC's

Think I will get a Linux OS, and start looking into it.
The progress and will CW shows is amazing.
...a humble good luck and success.

braincell · Post by **braincell** » Sat Mar 20, 2004 9:08 am

Thanks, This should be of interest to everyone in this thread.

On 2004-03-19 21:22, wsippel wrote:
@braincell
This might be of interest for you (and everyone thinking
about Linux as DAW):
http://www.soundonsound.com/sos/Feb03/a ... xaudio.asp

Kenf · Post by **Kenf** » Sat Mar 20, 2004 11:59 am

This is the worse news I have heard. How about a DOS version? It has taken 6 weeks since 'reload' to come up with this. How about getting the software we have at the moment working correctly. I spend most of my time fighting against the inadequacies of XTC mode.

Wsippel said …”I think there are 3.3V<->5V PCI adapters available - Tyan offers
those things. http://www.tyan.com
The M2037 may work...”

I can’t believe that Creamware have never tried it! Surely if they could say it does work it will would really boost the idea of OSX.

For me this is just another bad business decision, the type that has caused all of Creamwares problems in the past.
Kenf

next to nothing · Post by **next to nothing** » Sat Mar 20, 2004 12:15 pm

For me this is just another bad business decision, the type that has caused all of Creamwares problems in the past.
Kenf

I dont se how expanding SFP to two new OS'es could possibly be a bad idea?? There has been a lot of nagging about lack of OSX compability a few linux requests, and as far as i understand this thread, creamware isnt exactly putting a lot of money into it (and i mean that in a good way). You should be pleased to see that this is an OUTSOURCED development targeted at ENTHUSIASTS, and if they can bring SFP to OSX cheaply, nothing is more positive.

This (as far as i see ) doesnt affect you negatively at all if you do, it just expands CWA's market.

So Kenf, relax, it isnt NOAH.

Satosh · Post by **Satosh** » Sat Mar 20, 2004 12:35 pm

On 2004-03-20 11:59, Kenf wrote:
For me this is just another bad business decision, the type that has caused all of Creamwares problems in the past.
Kenf

Well, if one day my CW-cards and SFP works in linux, they will gain on me buying a couple of plug-ins in a mix of irrational happiness and rational contentness.

(I'll be very happy to become independent of micro$oft.)

astroman · Post by **astroman** » Sat Mar 20, 2004 1:32 pm

On 2004-03-20 11:59, Kenf wrote:
...Wsippel said …”I think there are 3.3V<->5V PCI adapters available - Tyan offers
those things. http://www.tyan.com
The M2037 may work...”

I can’t believe that Creamware have never tried it! Surely if they could say it does work it will would really boost the idea of OSX.
...

why should they ? those adapters seem to be riser cards and as such they won't even fit in a G5.
Currently the G5 is the only machine affected by this issue and without SFP on OSX it's an academic question of little practical use.
G5 customers are hardly to be expected in do-it-yourself projects, btw

Aside from that the announcement of the common developement makes perfect sense, if CWA wants (or has to) stay with the GUI lib mentioned.
It may not be the brightest piece of code, and in fact what I (quickly) read on the pages wsippel mentioned didn't convince me at all - but the stuff is available together with it's source code.
I've seen far superior libs going out of business over the years...

I'm not a (whatever-)ix fan at all, but if they made a plan they seem to see some chances, so I'll second the approach.

If they succeed there's at least one crucial point for me: a Linux system can be stripped down to hell, so I'll finally might be able to end up with a system without moving parts.
Linux can be run from a Ram-drive - death silent. I already have a fan-less PSU and I'm about to buy a passive cooler for the P4

If the '... support from CWA's OSX coder...' in wsippel's original post isn't a typo, then it explain why the project takes it's time.
On the other hand if that single person is a competent coder the final result might be better than by an average team.

best wishes for the project, Tom

Kenf · Post by **Kenf** » Sat Mar 20, 2004 1:45 pm

Hi piddi
The whole 'idea' is the problem, sure OSX support would be fine and nothing wrong with offering linux. Maybe they will be more skilled in these OS's? But after 6 weeks still no news of bug fixes for the present software. How old is SPF 3.1c? It must be well over a year? And there are only a few tweaks here and there required to get near perfect. I just feel if they had released 3.2 sometime over the past year it would have shown they have been listening, to what I have seen on this forum would be the majority of users.
Kenf

siberiansun · Post by **siberiansun** » Sat Mar 20, 2004 2:18 pm

this task has ASTROMAN written all over it!!
imo

wsippel · Post by **wsippel** » Sat Mar 20, 2004 2:25 pm

@Kenf
Sorry to say that, but you seem not to know much about coding.
Using a single, common source for all platforms (the long
term goal) would really speed up the development, so every
platform would benefit. We increase the number of
developers, resulting in faster bug fixes, and maybe
shorter overall release
cycles...

@astroman
Well, wxWidgets is in fact a pretty good GUI library.
It's not as fast as QT or FLTK, but it's truly cross
platform.
I would love to switch the system to QT, but since QT
is not available for OS 9, it would make little sense.
BTW, what 'superior libs' have you seen vanishing?

[ This Message was edited by: wsippel on 2004-03-20 14:46 ]

Kenf · Post by **Kenf** » Sat Mar 20, 2004 2:33 pm

Hi wsippel
That is an interesting assumption to make about my software knowledge. Can you explain to me how you came to that?

Tom
wsippel suggest the adpator card in the first place... seem even stranger that someone form CW suggests something that does even fit in a g5 anyway.
Regards
Kenf

[ This Message was edited by: Kenf on 2004-03-20 14:49 ]

valis · Post by **valis** » Sat Mar 20, 2004 3:02 pm

Flames! lol...