Kick compress + compress + compress + ......

dejanilly · Post by **dejanilly** » Mon Feb 16, 2004 8:51 am

What you think of multiple compression of kick drumz.i mean: to compress and export to
audio then do the same couple of times???

astroman · Post by **astroman** » Mon Feb 16, 2004 12:16 pm

just do it

(according to J.B. Tribout)
it's not uncommon, recently someone bragged in a production report about their 'most expensive 909 in the world' (3 outboard compressors if I remember right), but even KimGR prefers multiples from time to time to not miss a thing

Each device emphaszies it's own aspect of sound, if you don't take it too far.

cheers, Tom

dejanilly · Post by **dejanilly** » Tue Feb 17, 2004 4:00 am

thanx man

Post by **hubird** » Tue Feb 17, 2004 9:09 pm

to add something different: I once took a bassdrum sample from a 12" dance production, and put it in my mix.
After the usual mastering process the bassdrum wasn't as great as it was originally...
Be carefull, use your ears, if necessory keep certain stuff outside the (pre-) compressing processes.
AND: since I discovered the blessings of the PSP Transient designer I tend to push the attacks of some tracks a bit, to bring them in front of the speakers.
Even after heavy mastering compressing the profits of this in the endmix is more than good

, so the picture is rather complicated.
Astro quite rightly emphasizes the different character of different compressors (including Vintage warmers I would say), and in fact I mostly end up with different compression types (including vintage warming tape saturation types), but compressing several times with the same compressor...hmm, I don't know...dubbelcheck what you get at least, specially watch the punch...
cheerz

Post by **garyb** » Tue Feb 17, 2004 10:05 pm

sometimes light compression done in stages sounds better than heavy compression all at once.........

Post by **hubird** » Tue Feb 17, 2004 10:28 pm

you could be right, I just don't see how this could work

Post by **garyb** » Tue Feb 17, 2004 10:37 pm

theoretically,it can't.

but in the real world of imperfect devices,it can.

valis · Post by **valis** » Wed Feb 18, 2004 3:17 am

3 compressors with gentle settings (getting more progressive in the chain) in a row is an often used in both mastering and to achieve *very* transparent compression. The reason for this is that no one device is going to overreact, so they tend to even out and with the right gear can also gently 'warm' the signal.

samplaire · Post by **samplaire** » Wed Feb 18, 2004 3:35 am

Good idea! Sometimes you know a thing but somebody has to say it loud! Have to try double or even tripple compression

Michu · Post by **Michu** » Wed Feb 18, 2004 6:11 am

On 2004-02-18 03:17, valis wrote:
3 compressors with gentle settings (getting more progressive in the chain) in a row is an often used in both mastering and to achieve *very* transparent compression. The reason for this is that no one device is going to overreact, so they tend to even out and with the right gear can also gently 'warm' the signal.

i think this is what RNC's Very Nice mode is about.

Immanuel · Post by **Immanuel** » Wed Feb 18, 2004 7:11 am

You get soft knee compression, if you take 2 hard knee compressors and line them up.

Post by **hubird** » Wed Feb 18, 2004 7:35 am

thanks Immanuel, if this is true it says to me, be carefull with unusual use of (the same) compressors.
On the other hand, Valis could have a point saying the use of the same compressor several times prohibits overreacting.
Tricky bussiness.

Immanuel · Post by **Immanuel** » Wed Feb 18, 2004 7:37 am

I must add, that it depends on how closely the 2 compressors kick in. They need to start acting close - but not too close - to each other.

valis · Post by **valis** » Wed Feb 18, 2004 9:21 am

On 2004-02-18 06:11, Michu wrote:
i think this is what RNC's Very Nice mode is about.

Yep, I have an rnc 1173 and when i enable "very nice" it 'simulates' the reaction of 3 compressors in its dsp (digital control, analog path).

Post by **hubird** » Wed Feb 18, 2004 8:42 pm

thanks Valis, about the RNC compressor (which I didn't knew), I checked http://www.fmraudio.com/ , but I couldn't find anything like you say here about a three stage compressing technic.
I believe you, but I just would like to read more about it...you know where?

Eric Dahlberg · Post by **Eric Dahlberg** » Thu Feb 19, 2004 12:01 am

Another way to use multiple compressors - especially when mixing a live drummer -is to use the first one to control dynamics & the second one to shape the actual sound. In this way you can get a more consistent level & attack.

Michu · Post by **Michu** » Thu Feb 19, 2004 12:43 am

Huub,
http://www.fmraudio.com/supernice.html

Post by **hubird** » Thu Feb 19, 2004 5:58 am

thanks michu, stupid I missed it (was late already I guess).
Convinced now about multi chain compr.
Thanks a lot guys, specially Dejanilly for putting it on the table!

valis · Post by **valis** » Thu Feb 19, 2004 8:32 am

Thanks for catching that michu =]

Incidentally I've only got 1 rnc atm but my next purchase is probably going to be a 2nd RNC with the 'funk logic' rackmount that gives u a black front to boot (stock rnc is white):

http://store4.yimg.com/I/mercenary-audio_1778_6784640

dejanilly · Post by **dejanilly** » Mon Feb 23, 2004 6:40 am

Hi
Do you guyz mean multiple Compressor chain at once with different compressor settings, or like i sad before with export to audio and then add another compressor(with diferent settings) and
do that again and again????