Reverb

rodos1979 · Post by **rodos1979** » Sat Nov 29, 2003 8:13 pm

Hello to all!

Since all hardware reverbs are digital machines too (like our PCs), I was wondering why they just sound SO much better than their software counterparts?
Is it because their hardware is much more powerful? Or is it just better programming/knowledge?
If it is the first case... Then dont forget that except our general purpose Intel or AMD CPUs, WE have our audio-specific sharc DSPs! If it is the 2nd case, which I think it is the most likely, I still believe that there are a lot of excellent programmers out there. I think that Lexicon, TC and the likes dont have the best programmers... they just know more on Acoustics.
I think if a good programmer and a good acoustics physician sat together, they could produce an excellent reverb device that could compete very good with the best hardware devices.
I would really love to see a Reverb Device of excellent quality for the SFP platform, no matter how DSP heavy it was (4-5-6 or even 10 DSPs). If it was the same good as the lexicon ones, I would not mind bouncing tracks one by one, to get the a really good reverbed sound.

That is my dream/request/wish, take it as you like....

PS. Which is supposed to be the best reverb device at the moment for SFP?

petal · Post by **petal** » Sat Nov 29, 2003 9:05 pm

I don't know much about this, but I believe that a really good reverb needs a lot of memory - something which our CW-cards doesn't have.

Maybe you should check out SIR - it's a convulution/impulse reverb typethingy. Last time I checked it out, it was free....

http://www.knufinke.de/sir/index_en.html

Thomas

Shayne White · Post by **Shayne White** » Sun Nov 30, 2003 1:30 am

Well, Pulsar will have as much memory as it needs as soon as it supports PCI-X. But it doesn't, so right now the best reverb is (IMO, I haven't tried Masterverb Pro) is the Timeworks reverb. There really aren't too many choices, however.

I really like the Lexicon reverb that comes with Sonar, but it's only available for Sonar.

Shayne

Warp69 · Post by **Warp69** » Sun Nov 30, 2003 7:02 am

Hi,

Its definitely a question about algorithm design (knowledge) and memory bandwidth. A new reverb series will be released for the SFP platform very soon.

The first reverb will be the Plate algorithm and right after that, the Ambience algorithm.

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They're very demanding regarding PCI/DSP resources. You'll be able to load 1-2 instances of the reverb on a Pulsar2/Scope2 board, depending on what else you have on the PCI buss (eg network card) and chipsets.

Cheers

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astroman · Post by **astroman** » Sun Nov 30, 2003 10:09 am

On 2003-11-30 07:02, Warp69 wrote:
Its definitely a question about algorithm design (knowledge) and memory bandwidth.

That's perfectly right: the EarlyFirst reverbs use only SFP stock atoms (according to Paul), but obviously in a very smart way.
They may not hit everyone's taste, but were generally considered as top quality stuff.

Unfortunately Paul seems to be involved in a bunch of other demanding activities which leave him little time for developement, so it's extremely nice to see someone filling the gap, or even pushing the standard

finally the magic 'L' will work

cheers, Tom

Post by **garyb** » Sun Nov 30, 2003 5:52 pm

warp69...reverb
oooooooaaauuhhhh....(drool dripping)

rodos1979 · Post by **rodos1979** » Sun Nov 30, 2003 6:14 pm

@Warp69: Cool!!! Cant wait to try the demo of it!

)))

Warp69 · Post by **Warp69** » Sun Nov 30, 2003 8:11 pm

Hey,

The 'Mod' page have change to 'Setup' and includes a less PCI/DSP intensive algorithm and diffenrent diffusion types.

It will hopefully be released very soon.

Cheers

[ This Message was edited by: Warp69 on 2004-03-07 06:01 ]

cannonball · Post by **cannonball** » Mon Dec 01, 2003 5:29 am

hi

wow
i read all the spec in the page
it will be exatly the same?
ex 450 presets Dynamic Spatialization
Tempo Control etc..

thanks

ale

Warp69 · Post by **Warp69** » Mon Dec 01, 2003 6:20 am

Hey Canonball,

It wont be EXACTLY the same, because of the following reasons :

* Most parameters on the hardware have a small range. 90% of the parameters have 64 steps and some even less. This is not the case for the SFP version - all the parameters have millions of steps.
* All the algorithms combined have 450 presets
* At this moment, you can only set time values in ms and not bpm - So no tempo control in the first release.

Besides that - It should be the same - more or less

Cheers

[ This Message was edited by: Warp69 on 2004-03-07 06:02 ]

Warp69 · Post by **Warp69** » Tue Jan 06, 2004 10:11 am

Hey,

Well - I think its time for a demo - so please try it...

Cheers

[ This Message was edited by: Warp69 on 2005-09-02 01:21 ]

Post by **hubird** » Tue Jan 06, 2004 7:15 pm

I'm very interested Warp69

Could you tell us a bit more about price settiongs?
Also, say I got the plate one, will the other algo's sold as a new plug or as an update?
cheerz

interloper · Post by **interloper** » Wed Jan 07, 2004 2:54 am

Just downloaded the demo, will try it out over the next couple of days. Nice interface. Thanks for your efforts, it's encouraging for us all.

Warp69 · Post by **Warp69** » Wed Jan 07, 2004 11:47 am

Hi,

Unfortunately I dont have a price setting at this moment. But I believe the price will be very cheap compared to the quality

Each of the algorithms will be sold as new plug-ins, since they're quite different. Its not a question about another set of early reflections (like normal software based reverbs), but a totally new structure and therefore a completely different sound. But ofcourse there will be some sort of a bundle deal.

Kind regards

Faybs · Post by **Faybs** » Wed Jan 07, 2004 11:52 am

Any judgements concerning the quality ?
(can't try, not at home)

And what about the DSP hunger ?

Submarine · Post by **Submarine** » Thu Jan 08, 2004 9:00 am

Well,rodos you said it dosnt matter how much
dsp power your dream reverb for pulsar need.
Why waiting ?Buy a Lexicon Mpx 1 (about 500€)
like me and you`ll be satisfied without losing dsp power!This, was one of my reasons
to buy it.I love Master verb but i cant use much of it,its to havy on dsp.So i have the Lexicon (wich is much better than mv)and more
power.Never mind about the money.
Look ,wenn you want the Waves reverb (wich is not better for me than MV)you have to pay now ,what? 1000€?OK it comes not alone ,but you cant buy it stand alone .
So i highly recommend you:buy a Lexicon!
Youll never regret.

Post by **hubird** » Thu Jan 08, 2004 7:27 pm

agree with captain Nemo, I have one and the thing is great, specially (if you may not know this) coz it has digital in/out, as does your Pulsar card

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Let There Be Music!

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interloper · Post by **interloper** » Thu Jan 08, 2004 8:40 pm

Any presets you'd like to post?

Warp69 · Post by **Warp69** » Fri Jan 09, 2004 6:38 am

Hey,

You can try this file - it contains the first preset bank.

Enjoy.

[ This Message was edited by: Warp69 on 2005-09-02 01:20 ]

cannonball · Post by **cannonball** » Fri Jan 09, 2004 6:40 am

hi
seems a good good reverb
i think sfp need more tool like this

thz

ale