Mistake

Sam Glass · Post by **Sam Glass** » Fri Jul 27, 2001 3:58 am

<a name="planetz-file"></a><a href="http://www.sgap.co.uk/trx/Mistake.ogg"><img src="/forums/images/listen_icon.gif" border="0" alt=" Song"> Song</a> <a name="planetz-tag"></a>Genre: Hip Hop <a name="planetz-tag"></a>Uses: Pulsar Effects,Pulsar Mixers,Pulsar Synths copyright © 2001 Sam Glass _____________________________________ This is another of the Pulsar-oid tracks that should be pressed up on our start up label. [I've just got a luverly A5000 so I'm fighting the impulse to remix everything with it.]

Its a bit more standard than the X-10 track, (which none of you commented on yew slaaags

Noone willing to play .ogg files? Say if so.)

Pulsar's being used for most of the effects. The noisy gated piano line is a 16-bar thing passed through the great Hummel Lofi synth. The bass is weak and is a prime contender for A3000ing. The name is shit too

That said, I reckon it's haunting, and it's a real head nodder thanks to that classic beat, (treated quite nicely I think - check the genius scratching dropping *exactly* with the beat. Dunno whether that was luck or if Chengi is just incredible).

Scratching by Chengi; programming, keys and production by me.

[ This Message was edited by: Sam Glass on 2001-07-27 05:03 ]

algorhythm · Post by **algorhythm** » Fri Jul 27, 2001 5:29 am

yeah, what the hell is an *.ogg.

um, is it just me, or is mp3 the obvious, simple, standard format for internet music?

repost an mp3 and expect views and comments to rise . . .

Sam Glass · Post by **Sam Glass** » Tue Jul 31, 2001 11:57 pm

The .ogg file is a copywrite-free open-source music encoder being developed by http://www.vorbis.org. There is an encoder up there and a decoder is available for WinAmp. FreeAmp and Sonique natively support the format.

If you use a mp3 encoder that you haven't paid for, you are breaking copywrite law and are, technically speaking, a thief. Furthermore, there's loads of legal deal-making going on between MPEG and RIAA.

I'm surprised you didn't check what an ogg is yourself buddy-boy

The decoder is only a few tens of kBs.

If I get all the other .oggs I want up there and still can handle a couple more hours upload I'll put some illicitly encoded tracks up for the stubborn.

[ This Message was edited by: Sam Glass on 2001-08-01 02:25 ]

algorhythm · Post by **algorhythm** » Wed Aug 01, 2001 5:57 am

my point is this: mp3 is standard. planetz file uploading even specifies mp3. you said to "say so" if people had problems with *ogg, and I did, and now you razz me for it!? that's hypocritical.

while i now understand *ogg to be a good thing, (open source, etc.), that does not mean a whole lot. I wanted to listen to your track to see what you created and because you asked for comments. a pretty low commitment level, just click and listen, right? well, no. i have to download and install an uncommon decoder/and or audio player just to listen to yer track. i have no interest in doing this, as, quite frankly, i do not care about your music enough to go through the effort. i would think that you would want as many people as possible to hear your music, so one would think that you would want to make it as easy for them to do as possible.

there are freeware mp3 encoders/decoders, so i do not really see the point of arguing that you need to pirate software to post an mp3.

and if it is too much trouble to post an mp3, why bother at all?

Sam Glass · Post by **Sam Glass** » Wed Aug 01, 2001 7:39 am

Whee! Maybe I was out of order for coming across shitty. I was a bit miffed by your bossy attitude tho. I'm don't imagine I'll get around to putting up mp3s of the trax any time soon so I guess I'll have to do without your comments / validation. I'd love to hear from anyone who is prepared to download the plugin tho.

John Cooper · Post by **John Cooper** » Wed Aug 01, 2001 8:04 am

while i tend to agree with both of you (good to promote non-fraunhofer/mp3 encoding, but also less likely that anyone will listen to your music), sam is correct in that anyone using an mp3 encoder without having paid for it is, directly or indirectly, in violation of fraunhofer's technology patent. the freeware mp3 encoders out there are in direct violation of fraunhofer's use-of-technology patent (even if they're not using fraunhofer's encoder source), so while users of the freeware aren't necessarily to blame, the freeware authors certainly are.

not that i agree with it mind you. fraunhofer is fascist about their patent, and charges somewhat exorbitant use-license fees. and like i said, you can't blame users of the freeware for not knowing about the patent infringement (that's the responsibility of the freeware authors).

we had to deal with all this at beatnik, as we have mp3 encoding in the <a href="http://www.beatnik.com/software/editor.html">beatnik editor</a>.

soooo, all that said, i would still prefer people use mp3 here, for the simple reason that it has, right or wrong, become the standard for internet audio downloads. and we all want as many people as possible to hear our music, so, mp3 it is.

cheers,
-john

Sam Glass · Post by **Sam Glass** » Thu Aug 02, 2001 12:02 am

I put those files up for friends to check out before joining the forums; I figured it'd be cool to link them.

OK John: if I need to demonstrate something technical I'll use mp3. I've been riled now so I'm going to take a stance and publish all my future online music in ogg, (all the people I give a shit about have been happy to download a plugin). I won't link to them if you don't want me to John.

I've been dissapointed by this but will definitely try to make a contribution here in the future. It's a top resource

algorhythm · Post by **algorhythm** » Thu Aug 02, 2001 1:06 pm

so, yer track is kewl - i figured i owe ya a listen after all of the argumentation above. well produced instrumental hip hop. good scratching and nice composition.
nice, laid back, and atmospheric.

'get blunted' to dis, ya'all

John Cooper · Post by **John Cooper** » Mon Aug 06, 2001 11:07 am

discussion of ogg vs mp3 over at slashdot:

http://slashdot.org/askslashdot/01/08/06/0415253.shtml

cheers,
-john

algorhythm · Post by **algorhythm** » Mon Aug 06, 2001 5:07 pm

so i'm a convert, as my ignorant self has now read up on the issue of mp3 vs. ogg [thanks for the inspiration for education Mr. Glass; nothing motivates like a good flame]

music ought to be free (as in liberty not free-of-cost). the music industry has held a monopoly over musicians for far too long. mp3 is not quite there, as it still proprietary. ogg vorbis should to be the format of internet music. i think i might take a stand on the issue, as Sam has said. yall agree, or is pleasing the complacent masses [which i was a part of until recently] more important than freedom of expression?