ok im luna'd up..but now wot??

oioi · Post by **oioi** » Thu Aug 28, 2003 8:51 am

i have cubase sx and the luna card but just cant seem to get my head round the concept of it.. i would like to record my external synths into cubase but dont know how to set luna up (scope bar).. any help would be good

samplaire · Post by **samplaire** » Thu Aug 28, 2003 9:51 am

forget the livebar for a moment as it's easier to organize your thoughts in a browser window. There you can load modules/devices and wire all demanded directions

You can find some tutorial projects in your sfp folder.

The most important thing is to load SFP first and then you can load your sequencer/editor.
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Spirit · Post by **Spirit** » Thu Aug 28, 2003 10:13 am

Try this infamous thread

http://www.planetz.com/forums/viewtopic ... 37&forum=1

Basic Pitch · Post by **Basic Pitch** » Thu Aug 28, 2003 10:23 am

Greetings,

I am a new Scope user myself, and just did what you are trying to do, although in a bit more complex way and with Pauls@Creamwares help ofcourse, but once you get an idea of how the SFP enviornemtn works it will start to make more sense..

Here is a very vague and general way to set things up since I am at work at not at the PC.

1. Create a mixer (I think I used one called 2442?) cant remember off tof my head..

2. Erase Asio Source1 and replace that with Asio2 (16).

3. Create Asio2 16 dest.

This is the very base of the set up, the source is what comes from SX and the dest is where it will go, it can end at the mixer aswell.

4. Create Analog Source (this is the input from your external source)

5. Rout External source to the Created 2442? mixer.

At this point you should be able to record in cubase.

6. If you wanna get spiffy you could add from the FX drop down a few Multi Effect (s) modules to be routed between your ASIO source and the mixer module, that way you can add realtime effects on the way in.

Then ofcourse you will eventually wanna add a mid Sequencer module and a midi source.

From here things get a bit more complicated, as I was explained creamware cards do not directly run in stereo, so you need to do that manually

Ill try and explain to the best of my vague knowledge.

From here there is an option by opening a source portion of the mixer, im affraid I dont know what its called with out being at the PC, where you need to set mute groups and fader groups.

The go into the mixer and click the 1st 16 channels to be stereo and start panning every (2) = pair L/R as if 2 channels were one. From there on the bottom of the channel there are 3 little boxes, 1 single box and 2 small boxes, the left box of the 2 small represents mute groups and the right represents the fader groupso basically for the 1st 16 channels you want each 2 faders to represent the same value EG: 1/1-1/1, then 2/2-2/2 and so forth till you reach channel 16.

By now you will have 8 stereo channels set up in your mixer.

I wish I could go more in depth, but I have only had the card for 1 day and am fairly lost and confused myself, but this is a very general idea of how it could be set up.

Basically any idea of routing you could possibly think of can probably be done in SFP, so play around and have some fun.

Ohh yea, and if you try and add multieffect (s) modules dont forget to chain the midi to pass through them so you can control your effects via midi

Hope this helps, and maybe some one who has used the platform longer than me and you could elaborate on what I explained or give they're own set up technique

Cheers!

Basic Pitch · Post by **Basic Pitch** » Thu Aug 28, 2003 10:32 am

Spirit,

GO check out your thread that ya linked, I gave ya two MUCH better options for bouncing than were posted

Cheers!

oioi · Post by **oioi** » Thu Aug 28, 2003 10:42 am

oh my god, this is a nightmare!! i can eather get midi to work or audio but not at the same time... all i want and need to be able to do is use cubase sx to sequence the midi synths and record the parts back into cubase... even my onboard soundcard does that!! there has to be an easy way surly.

Basic Pitch · Post by **Basic Pitch** » Thu Aug 28, 2003 10:57 am

Sit back and relax

Keep in mind, it only looks scary, its like the old saying its bark is worse than it's bite!

What I would suggest is to give CW support a call, explain what you are trying to do and hopefully they can explain how to set it in the proper manner to do what you need. Once you get a little comfortable with how the SFP works you will be fine and very happy and start to realize the potential of what can be with this type of set up, think of all effects and synths as external gear and it will make more sense.

But seriously you only need to get set up once

then it auto loads each time, and as you get more comfortable with the enviorment you will see it really is not the nightmare you thought it was..

Cheers!

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oioi · Post by **oioi** » Thu Aug 28, 2003 11:24 am

ok, thats 6 hourz of pure hair rippin!! its like this now.. i have loaded the ASIO easy recording file and recording in is fine, also if i input notes into cubase and press play that works also.. i just cant get the master keyboard to play the notes... so i guess the 'luna midi a source has to conect to somthing ( its not at the mo just floting)seq mid source is conected to both the mixer and the luna midi dest... how do i connect it?? ARGH!!

eliam · Post by **eliam** » Thu Aug 28, 2003 11:35 am

Ok, plug your "midi A source" into "sequencer midi dest" and it should work. If not, then make sure that the midi is enabled in your os. You can monitor uour midi data with "midi monitor" module for troubleshooting... Hope this helps...

Basic Pitch · Post by **Basic Pitch** » Thu Aug 28, 2003 11:36 am

Add the synth module you want in the routing window, then connect the midi sequencer to the synth and the synth input to the sfp mixer, then from cubase add a midi track select the input from your master source and the output will show a virtual CR midi 1/2 etc conect the output for the midi track to the cw virtual line and you should be good to go

Cheers!

If all else fails call tech support, trust me they will show you how to understand

eliam · Post by **eliam** » Thu Aug 28, 2003 11:36 am

And courage, once you get it you'll be really happy and see how easy and logical it is!

Post by **Guest** » Thu Aug 28, 2003 11:54 am

I'll try to explain some things..

connections..
there are 2 ways to do this....

First one is thru the context menus of the Live Bar VIA the rightclick. from the Live bar you can pretty much do all connections/routings... unless ofcourse you want 1 cable going to multible inputs...

On the live bar under the Dev page you can hit the down arrow for the mixer and see all the inputs, from each one you cn right click and choose the source... same thing goes for the outs as well, they are all listed..

The second way is thru the Routing window itself, So from the live bar goto set>RoutingWindow Voila!
Now here is the easiest way to connect via the routing window untill you get really fast with it..

1: click the mouse into the background of the routing window to clear it...

2: hover the mouse over the output of the module you would like to connect, once the mouse reaches the ( LOut word or the red arrow ) it should turn into a cross hair ...
once it does left click once...
now drag the mouse over the the input you want to connect to.. either the green arrow or the In1 etc... once you see the cross hair left click again...
now you should have a blue/red wire

blue for audio signals red for midi

depending on the module your connecting you can hit the letter "n" on your keyboard to connect the next output or hit "SHIFT n " to connect them all.

well hope that helps if you still cannot connect anything let me know

Cheers

Michu · Post by **Michu** » Thu Aug 28, 2003 1:04 pm

re: MIDI

Luna MIDI source/dest reflects phisical hardware I/Os on your card, while Seq MIDI source/dest reflects MIDI ports as seen by software (ie drivers).

To send MIDI from keyboard connected to Luna's MIDI in to Cubase you have to connect Luna MIDI source to Seq MIDI dest.
As Cubase can (and by default does) echo incoming MIDI messages to MIDI out,
you can connect Pulsar devices to Seq MIDI source and they can be controlled from keyboard through Cubase.

BTW, i think connecting Seq MIDI source directly to Seq MIDI destination can cause a MIDI overflow in some circumstances

Ah, and if you want to send both Luna and Seq sources to Seq destination, then there is nice MIDI merger module

And btw we have nice forum named "Problem Solving" here

interloper · Post by **interloper** » Thu Aug 28, 2003 1:46 pm

I'd just like to add the following:

Hang in there. Setting up for the first time can be frustrating, but it will be WELL WORTH IT.

This is not a Soundblaster you dropped in your machine, so some work is required.

However, you'll only have to go through this process once. When you are done, you'll see the true potential of what you have in your machine.

Good luck and stick with it.

P.S. Wise man say - Anything easy is not worth doing.

oioi · Post by **oioi** » Thu Aug 28, 2003 3:14 pm

nope!! i can get the audio working but no midi! luna sorce > seq dest, seq sorce > luna midi dest... cubase shows midi coming in but will not relay it back out...ARGH!

alfonso · Post by **alfonso** » Thu Aug 28, 2003 5:02 pm

Luna midi dest. is the MIDI out of your card. Do you have outboard gear connected to it?

If you want to play a SFP synth you connect seq.source directly to it.

Did you assign the MIDI track in Cubase to the Creamware Midi port? (the one that shows as Seq. Source in SFP).

Does the MIDI channel of the instrument (outboard or SFP) match the Cubase track's one?

eliam · Post by **eliam** » Thu Aug 28, 2003 5:02 pm

Back out to where? If you want your seq to control a hardware app, you'll have to plug the seq. midi out into the midi destination and assing the corresponding midi track to the right channel on your sequencer.
You'll soon have it figured out, don't worry! Every cw user has been through it!

otter · Post by **otter** » Fri Aug 29, 2003 4:04 am

Maybe a cubase prob:
in sx, you have to activate "monitoring" for the midi-tracks to make them send back the MIDI data they recieve.
Check the "speaker" button of the MIDI-tracks you are unsing in cubase sx. Are they green(activated)?
if not, just give´m a click.

otter