i was dreaming about a new creamware price policy

bosone · Post by **bosone** » Fri Feb 07, 2003 5:37 am

i was thinking:
what about if creamware will ask us money for software upgrades (not BETA!! working upgrades!

) and will give us the plugins (or almost all of them) for free?
will this be convenient for both?
if there are x SFP users, all of them pay (let's say) 50 euro (no more, maybe less!

) for the SFP upgrade and got all the plug-in for free, will CW make more or less money insted giving SFP upgrade for free and sell plug-in to maybe 0.1% or less of theyr customers?

for "all the plugin" i mean vectron, optimaster, psyq, minimax, sixstrings... maybe they can still make some "flagship" plugin intended for the "absolute pro" users

what do you think about this fanta-creamware idea?

samplaire · Post by **samplaire** » Fri Feb 07, 2003 6:05 am

Sorry for being pesimistic but it wouldn't work (though I wish it would

):
1. They indeed would earn some money on upgrades but only in limited period of time - only on existing customers. I'm not so sure if this policy would work in the future (though I may be wrong!)
2. If they did it it would look like they had real financial problems.

On the other hand - they would earn much mony in a short time and could invest it in development. In such case they should pay you for the strategy you invented, bosone!!! Perhaps you should contact CW with the offer???? Yes, now I am optimistic

valis · Post by **valis** » Fri Feb 07, 2003 7:21 am

If you ask me customers will gripe about having to pay for bugfixes and the like.

This would only make sense for major versions...and even then what they would have to charge to include all of their plugins would be prohibitive for most users.

Another 'propack' bundle would be nice to see though (with a different mixture of plugins than before obviously).

samplaire · Post by **samplaire** » Fri Feb 07, 2003 8:21 am

On 2003-02-07 07:21, valis wrote:
Another 'propack' bundle would be nice to see though (with a different mixture of plugins than before obviously).

I would be satisfied with a bundle containing some of the plugins I already have. If the price was erasonable, of course. But they are dreams only..................

spoimala · Post by **spoimala** » Fri Feb 07, 2003 9:12 am

We Scope users wouldn't be very happy for having to buy again for Vectron, Optimaster and PSY Q

I would gladly pay something for VinCO, Minimax and six-string though.

Ooppss.. no I wouldn't, as I'm waiting for Vinco as Recommendation bonus. I just wonder how long I have to wait...

[ This Message was edited by: spoimala on 2003-02-07 09:15 ]

huffcw · Post by **huffcw** » Fri Feb 07, 2003 9:18 am

I heard Creamware is offering some new bundles.

[ This Message was edited by: huffcw on 2003-02-07 09:30 ]

samplaire · Post by **samplaire** » Fri Feb 07, 2003 9:42 am

On 2003-02-07 09:12, spoimala wrote:
We Scope users wouldn't be very happy for having to buy again for Vectron, Optimaster and PSY Q

I agree but if the plugins bundle (including all the above and Vinco, sixstring) would cost 1.3 of the price of Vectron??? Sweet dreams

But sweet

astroman · Post by **astroman** » Fri Feb 07, 2003 10:38 am

the price finding is a difficult thing and it's mostly an emotional issue. It has to fit the image of the product.
You can't sell a highend recording solution with elcheapo plugins - you'll kick yourself out of business this way.
Nevertheless you'll have to make it affordable to your potentional customers, so there's a limit on the top, too.
And one of the most important things is reliability.
Anyone remembers Gigasampler ?
From 1.5k € (with piano and gm) down to 150€ now bundled with a soundcard.
Would you trust in a company like that ?
I'm quite happy with CW's price policy, some indroductional offer, sometimes a special bundle which doesn't let original customer's look like idiots.
At least I respect 'my tools' which I bought, though the process of spending the cash always hurts a bit.
And I like to really dig into them and get the most out of what's there instead of moving on to the next 10€ VSTi or whatever.

cheers, Tom

huffcw · Post by **huffcw** » Fri Feb 07, 2003 3:03 pm

Check out the Creamware web site. They have announced new bundles at up to 50% off retail for the plugins. There is a synth/sampler bundle and an effects/mixing bundle. There are also offering the bundles with new card purchases.

King of Snake · Post by **King of Snake** » Fri Feb 07, 2003 3:53 pm

Those are some pretty heavy price knock-offs for these bundles! It's a shame they don't have smaller bundles, or let you choose the devices yourself. Say like: buy three plugins and get one for free, or buy two plugins with one for half the price.

sandrob · Post by **sandrob** » Fri Feb 07, 2003 4:37 pm

bosone, your idea will be better for both, cw and us i belive. for a money i spend to optimaster, vinco, masterverb, eq, psyq, sts... i can buy aud-1 with all pro devices included.
all powercore users will get for free new tc's classicverb, and all uad's users will get uad's dreamverb.
cw have strange policy to my opininon. i know many people who won't buy any cw's software or second cw's card. he will rather pay for uad or/and powercore. i sold my second pulsar card and now i trying to sale almost all cw's devices. also i buy uad-1

Grok · Post by **Grok** » Fri Feb 07, 2003 5:57 pm

Hi Sandrob!...

Believe me or not: The UAD's Verbs, TC's one and all UAD's verbs, and the SFP's verbs are NOTHING, nothing (!) if you compare them to the Samplitude's Room Simulator. Nothing!

http://www.planetz.com/forums/viewtopic ... &forum=5&7

I don't have any interests with Magix nor any Audio Company; it is just a fact, a true and incontestable fact.

All the previous best hardware reverbs without any prices considerations are small, compared to the Samplitude's Room Simulator.

All the others convolution verbs are inferiors to Samplitude's Room Simulator. Acoustic Mirror is not so good. Altiverb is not so good. SIR is too little, compared to the Room Simulator.

Now that I've written this, you people can make what you want, I've told you the thruth and if you're interested in sound and music, you know what you have to do. You will not cry later to have spent thousands of bucks for a verb that is inferior to Samplitude's Room Simulator.

Listen to me (if you want!

): this is a revolution, yes, a true revolution.

_________________
Toujours l'Amour!

[ This Message was edited by: Grok on 2003-02-09 00:32 ]

braincell · Post by **braincell** » Sat Feb 08, 2003 12:10 pm

Clearly most people reading this forum think the Creamware prices are too high. I hope Creamware reads this. They pay very little for distribution and zero for packaging so they ought to be able to offer some real bargains and not just in enormous bundles which include modules that we might not want or need. I can remember one bundle which included the modular synthesizer which I already had. Creamware responded that I could sell the other Modular. Thanks but no thanks. That is a hassle I do not need!

doodyrh · Post by **doodyrh** » Sun Feb 09, 2003 9:27 am

On 2003-02-07 05:37, bosone wrote:
what about if creamware will ask us money for software upgrades ... and will give us the plugins ... for free?

I'm not convinced.
CW are already giving away plenty of standard plugins. If they gave away the premium plug-ins too what would they have to charge for updates? And where would be incentive for both 3rd party developers and CW to develop new quality plugins?

As it is I can chose to pay or not to pay. This is not a cheap system as it is. Prospective customers would think twice knowing they are tied into extra, regular and unpredictable payments.

What CW need to do is deliver a new affordable hardware platform with the equivalent of at least 32 DSP and simple upgrade path (through DSP daughterboards perhaps). Right now I just don't have capacity for new plug-ins.

dehuszar · Post by **dehuszar** » Sun Feb 09, 2003 9:18 pm

On 2003-02-07 17:57, Grok wrote:
Hi Sandrob!...

Believe me or not: The UAD's Verbs, TC's one and all UAD's verbs, and the SFP's verbs are NOTHING, nothing (!) if you compare them to the Samplitude's Room Simulator. Nothing!

How do you compare the internal mixer to CubaseSX and SFP's? And midi? I'm gonna check out the demo, but it's always good to get some input from people who know how to use it.

Sam

Grok · Post by **Grok** » Mon Feb 10, 2003 6:38 pm

The internal mixer: well, what can I say...I think one of the strongest point of Samplitude (and there are many...) is the integration of the tracks and the mixer in a super powerful multitrack mixing solution that combines power and quickness with optimisation of the CPU and the disk accesses. Maybe what I say is not totally clear...For example: in a track you can have several objects. Each object can have his own plugins combination. This combination takes CPU when the object is read, and releases the CPU when the reading of the object is over, allowing others plugins combinations to take the CPU. So you can have thousands of different plugins in one track in the eventuality it is needed...

Please forgive my bad english

The mixer of Samplitude Professional 7 allows all combinations, and is linked to the tracks. For example opening a new aux opens a new aux track that is editable for automation...

MIDI: editing MIDI is new in Samplitude Professional 7. In the previous Samplitude's versions, only recording, playing and importing MIDI was possible. I have not worked sufficiently with this new feature to give a serious advice. I've been used to the Logic ergonomy for MIDI, and sure I have to work more with the MIDI in Samplitude...

ChrisWerner · Post by **ChrisWerner** » Tue Feb 11, 2003 2:17 am

A really absorbing dream bosone, that would be a fair way to make CW products interestingly to many more users than they have today.
CW offers those promo plug packs for 695 Euro until we have april.

TheMasterVerbPro: Oh god another reverb.

Optimaster,PsyQ,Vinco, great plugs but I think you can get nearly the same sound to your music when you use some free or shareware comps and Cubase/logic EQ´s.
I´am satisfied with my sound I have today, without those psycoaccustic tools.

Graph EQ, when this thing will be erased from the cw side at last?
Vocodizer, a great plug, I will try to build such thing with the mod3 when I need a vocododer. Ah I remember, I´ve got a vocoder for free with the last cubase upgrade ,I have to look up.

Mixer packageII, wasn´t there a proPack? Also what should I do with a 96 channel surround mixer without a surround en/decoder?

Minimax,wow but for me it would be cheaper to buy it alone because, I have the modIII, don´t need the old Vectron and can´t see/hear the SB404 anymore. EDS16, I can build it with the modIII too and did it already(drumix). STS5000, I got the best sampler with the NI-Kontakt and don´t need another one.
Anyway 695Euros that is aprox. the price I paid for the Pulsar I and SRB pack few years ago, I can´t believe that software becomes more expensive than hardware,what you think?

To be fair that promo packs are really interesting when you haven´t got any CW hardware or one of those plugs but what will happen in april, will the prices be "normal" again ?
New plug´s or hardware ?
Why CW starts this sold out, only to bother those of us who bought must of those plugs in the past ?
I´ll wait and dream with bosone a while.
Cheers

mythalethe · Post by **mythalethe** » Wed Feb 12, 2003 6:36 pm

maybe CW should consider a subscription based approach. I would consider paying 15 or 20 bucks a month for superb support, constantly evolving sofware and devices, and great sonics! (Plus i want the minimax, and that would be about equal to a year of the subscription anyway

)

-mythalethe

Grok · Post by **Grok** » Thu Feb 13, 2003 4:45 am

Agree; Magix shows the way!