I've just discovered why things are not working so well...

Nestor · Post by **Nestor** » Sat Jan 18, 2003 1:40 am

What do you think so??? I'm sure!

Post by **Neil B** » Sat Jan 18, 2003 4:42 am

Nestor, that has GOT to be one of the funniest things I've ever seen - where do you get them from?

Post by **garyb** » Sat Jan 18, 2003 1:20 pm

please don't tempt me.(i have to deal with the gestapo..err..department of homeland defense....)

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Nestor · Post by **Nestor** » Sat Jan 18, 2003 9:28 pm

Unfortunately, I don’t remember the address by heart. In any case, it is a great web site all about funny pictures and the so, I agree with you, it’s a very funny one!

Nestor · Post by **Nestor** » Sat Jan 18, 2003 10:34 pm

Found a few more... great funny pictures...

http://www.funny-funny-pictures.com/

Spirit · Post by **Spirit** » Sat Jan 18, 2003 11:16 pm

OK, this is not funny at all, but maybe this is just a thread that goes anywhere ?

I know a lot of people rubbish Bush, and yes, maybe he's not the deepest thinker, but the US is fighting a war and I support them 100%.

The WTC jumpers is one of the saddest things I've ever seen.

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eliam · Post by **eliam** » Sun Jan 19, 2003 1:10 am

This thread started so funny... Anyway, I don't criticize... I'm rehearsing with a woman who saw the towers fall from her window in Brooklin... with her 5 and 6 years-old daughters. She lefy NYC shortly after that and she seems to enjoy Montreal a lot! I will post some music from us soon...

Spirit · Post by **Spirit** » Sun Jan 19, 2003 2:19 am

This is the "thread goes anywhere" thread, and I'd hate to be accused of spoiling the fun, so here we go:

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lifechanger · Post by **lifechanger** » Sun Jan 19, 2003 8:45 am

Move to Ban Arabic in Belgian Elections
Islam Online ^ | January 19 2003
BRUSSELS, January 19 (IslamOnline & News Agencies) – Two members in the Belgian Senate (Senate de Belgique) submitted last Thursday, January 16, a draft bill to the Flemish Parliament in Belgium, urging the parliament to ban the use of Arabic in the upcoming Belgian parliamentary elections on May 18, 2003, unnamed sources told the London-based Al-Sharq Al-Awsat newspaper.

The sources said the move aims at barring Belgium’s various parties, including the Arab-European League (AEL), from addressing the voters in Arabic, whether through platforms or placards.

The President of the Antwerp-based AEL, Dyab Abou Jahjah, Belgian citizen of Lebanese origin, runs in the elections for the first ever time. It is believed that the AEL’s electoral slate will include some Arab names alongside prominent Belgian figures in different fields.

State statistics put the number of Muslims in Belgium at 300,000, noting that the majority of them hail from Moroccan origin with an estimated 140,000 people. Another 22,000 people have Turkish origins.

Jahjah founded the AEL more than two years ago. It rose to local prominence with a series of demonstrations in support of the Palestinian cause.

In Antwerp, with its large North African minority, he has called for Arabic to be recognized as an “official” language.

The chief of the AEL stressed the goal of “Arab unity” and focused on the need for Arabs in Europe to rally around the twin causes of Palestine and Iraq.

However, the Belgian government says it will do everything in its power to have the AEL banned.

In November 2002, the Belgian police detained Abou Jahjah for instigating two days of riots, which left a trail of destruction in Antwerp, the immigrant area of Belgium city and a stronghold of the extreme right.

Tension ran high in the port city of Antwerp after a Belgian shot dead Mohammed Achrak, a 27-year-old Arab.

and...from
From the Euro-SAT...

1) Europe is to arabs as:

A) Land is to people

B) Governments are to citizens

C) Large is to small

D) The Body is to Cancer Cells

I know, I know... Too Easy...

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braincell · Post by **braincell** » Fri Jan 24, 2003 11:02 am

Lifechanger:

Do you realize that the U.S.A. is the laughing stock for all of Europe? It is because we have a cowboy president with no brains. It is very scary when a person with his finger on the button can't even pronounce nuclear. He says "Nuke-You-Lar".

Although I have not heard him say July I am willing to bet he says "Jew-Lie".

borg · Post by **borg** » Fri Jan 24, 2003 1:26 pm

On 2003-01-19 08:45, lifechanger wrote:
Two members in the Belgian Senate (Senate de Belgique) submitted last Thursday, January 16, a draft bill to the Flemish Parliament in Belgium, urging the parliament to ban the use of Arabic in the upcoming Belgian parliamentary elections on May 18, 2003, unnamed sources told the London-based Al-Sharq Al-Awsat newspaper.

not completely true... these two politicians also said that they didn't mind arab slogans/text, as long as it is accompanied by a dutch (or french, depending where you are in belgium) translation, which is the official language, arab still is not, although jahjah wants it on the political agenda.

However, the Belgian government says it will do everything in its power to have the AEL banned.

???

bs, not true...

In November 2002, the Belgian police detained Abou Jahjah for instigating two days of riots,

not true again. yes, there were riots (reason below) jahjah tried to calm the youngsters, with the police. he was taken for interogation for other reasons.

Tension ran high in the port city of Antwerp after a Belgian shot dead Mohammed Achrak, a 27-year-old Arab.

which left a trail of destruction in Antwerp,

some broken windows of bus stops, a scratch on a car... that's not a trail of destruction. afghanistan, croatia, bosnia, ground zero,... there you can see trails of destruction. the day after (the riots in antwerp), there was nothing anymore to see. (i lived in the neighborhood for three years, and still pass there a few times a week, so first hand information)

the immigrant area of Belgium city and a stronghold of the extreme right.

yeah, antwerp is the 'stronghold of the extreme right', sad but true. (although the structure of the sentence puzzles me: 'the immigrant area of belgium city' ???)

so, what was the reason for sharing this uncomplete information

The Z Station · Post by **The Z Station** » Fri Jan 24, 2003 4:07 pm

On 2003-01-18 23:16, Spirit wrote:
OK, this is not funny at all, but maybe this is just a thread that goes anywhere ?

I know a lot of people rubbish Bush, and yes, maybe he's not the deepest thinker, but the US is fighting a war and I support them 100%.

The WTC jumpers is one of the saddest things I've ever seen.

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Here here, mate!

braincell · Post by **braincell** » Fri Jan 24, 2003 9:19 pm

Violence always begets violence. What was the purpose of the first "Desert Storm" if we have to go back in again? It was all a big waste of lives and money. We are never going to settle anything this way. Do we want to be waging this war forever???

Post by **garyb** » Sat Jan 25, 2003 2:13 am

some do.
they rarely fight them....

sandrob · Post by **sandrob** » Sat Jan 25, 2003 4:02 am

Spirit · Post by **Spirit** » Sat Jan 25, 2003 6:57 am

Wars do solve problems.

A rather largish war about 60 years ago eliminated several unreasonable regimes in Europe. They would not have rolled over and surrended or stopped being mean to people because they were asked nicely. In fact they were asked nicely and nothing came of it. Extreme violence by a large alliance of somewhat more reasonable nations was required.

Another war - quite a long one - about 30 years ago in SE Asia unified a small country. It's people were quite happy about it despite the cost.

Various colonial powers were "persuaded" to leave geographic regions to which they had no moral claim - and they did leave - but only after small wars and insurgency campaigns. Problems concerning exploitation, discrimination and self-determination were solved by these warlike acts.

Before anyone lists various "unjust" wars I suppose I should state the obvious and say not all wars solve problems. And many wars create problems. And yes, all wars are bad.

But until the angels of reason and tranquility settle upon the tortured brows of all humans, there will always be someone who cares only for themself and nothing for their fellow man.

Wars are effective solutions in these situations.

"Do not rejoice in his defeat, you men. For though the world stood up and stopped
the bastard, The bitch that bore him is in heat again. " - Bertolt Brecht.

Should that be followed with "The price of freedom is eternal vigilance" ? Or perhaps Brecht's quote points to war's futility ?
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Post by **garyb** » Sat Jan 25, 2003 2:09 pm

gee,as i remember the story,some one who thought that wars fix things took hitler seriously so that he could take power in the first place.demons can't flourish if their source of power(human greed ignorance and fear)is cut off.reason is the tool to do this.reason is NOT patting ones's self on the back for one's great knowledge or the attempt to restructure the universe.this is also demon food.it is called arrogance and conceit.

the true vigilance is remaining open-eyed to TRUTH.truth is not what you know or beleive but but that which is beyond the small moment of one lifetime.

all else is vain struggle for nothing which leads to suffering.

what is freedom?going and doing ANYTHING you feel like at the moment you feel like it?i don't think anyone who checked the situation would think that was a good idea.is it the right to exploit another?hmmm.is it the right to make lots of money?that's nice,but is it enough?the right to have sex a lot?ditto....is it what the government says thru law i can and can't do?what is this thing that others should lay down their lives for?it seems related the the thing that the adversaries are fighting for.life,liberty,the right to exist and the betterment of life for their children or at least,children's children.

the way one gets a nation to fight another is to make the other EVIL and NON-HUMAN.(kkk member to a black man,u.s. to arabs,allies to axis,axis to allies,blackman to kkk,arabs to u.s.,palestinian to jew,jew to palestinian,europe to jew,jew to europe.

still, all are the same all are human.

but what controls YOUR mind?where do you get YOUR ideas?how do you know that source had good intentions for you?if it came from a person,where did that person's ideas come from?etc.

coc999 · Post by **coc999** » Sat Jan 25, 2003 5:05 pm

Reading some Johns perso pages , i see that he has find a solution to all our problems

Spirit · Post by **Spirit** » Sat Jan 25, 2003 7:08 pm

Interesting points garyb, but more metaphysical than practical perhaps? I'm intruiged to know how this philosophy would operate to defeat (to take an obvious example) the Hitler regime ? How does it work against manifest, physical evil ?

As for this:

On 2003-01-25 14:09, garyb wrote:
truth is not what you know or beleive but but that which is beyond the small moment of one lifetime.

If you take away what you "know or believe" what exactly is left ? Sounds like "god" to me.
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Spirit · Post by **Spirit** » Sat Jan 25, 2003 7:21 pm

On 2003-01-25 17:05, coc999 wrote:
Reading some Johns perso pages , i see that he has find a solution to all our problems

There's a strong case for the positive effects of nuclear weapons: the defeat of Japan and the saving of millions of lives by avoiding an invasion; the stability of the cold war "MAD" doctrine (compared with the many wars today).

Yeah, OK, I'm not really a pro-nukes person, it's just a friendly debate alright !!!

Here's a defence analyst who says the US is planning to use small nuclear "bunker busters" in Iraq:
http://www.news.com.au/common/story_pag ... 02,00.html