Why must it be so loud?

Immanuel · Post by **Immanuel** » Sun Jul 14, 2002 1:42 pm

I sit here in my room
My window is open
I hear music
"don't you forget about me"
Simple Minds
The music comes from a distance of 2km+
I am not even in line with the window (I can not see it)

It is sad, that people need to violate the music into their body to be able to feel it
Technically it is not nessesary
A couple of acoustic guitars can rock so much, that all I realy want is to dance

People should come to their senses

Immanuel

Grok · Post by **Grok** » Sun Jul 14, 2002 2:33 pm

New generations are deaf, with the use of the Walkman

Cities sounds are louds, so people has to put music loud to shut the cities sounds

But 2km+?... It is professional sound reinforcement or what?

Immanuel · Post by **Immanuel** » Sun Jul 14, 2002 2:54 pm

It is a huge outdoor conert
4 bands in a row
50.000ish listeners

Immanuel

wayne · Post by **wayne** » Sun Jul 14, 2002 10:12 pm

I saw ACDC & the Angels in 1980 at Memorial Drive in Adelaide - they got complaints 10 km away at the beach! But, they rocked real bad

Valium · Post by **Valium** » Sun Jul 14, 2002 10:17 pm

Well I have experience with outdoor gigs and stuff, only thing I can say : good sound&stagetechnicians can make quite a difference.

I've seen some of them in action, both good and bad, and the good ones managed to produce more and better sounding setups at far lower volumes without anybody asking to turn it up. No complaints everybody happy and really nice to play at.

Guess there's some out there that still don't know their job

Personaly I like the option of better sound at lower volumes, then the next day my ears don't flute away after a gig

Greetz

wayne · Post by **wayne** » Sun Jul 14, 2002 10:46 pm

Yep, years of mixing or playing way-too-loud gigs never did anyone much good.
I suppose ACDC was good because it was dangerous , and i was 15

But Simple Minds don't need to be that scary, true.

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Valium · Post by **Valium** » Sun Jul 14, 2002 10:51 pm

True,

but mostly where I get doing my stuff people just want that volume cranked up to almost unbearable levels nowadays. In the last couple of years it's only gotten worse. (I mostly do dj-sets in discotheques and stuff) I find myself actually putting on my cans just to be able to stand the volumes some of the owners want it to be at.

Well I can imagine once those guys pass their 30th anniversary they'll be deaf. And maybe I will too by then unfortunately.

Immanuel · Post by **Immanuel** » Sun Jul 14, 2002 11:19 pm

Take care. I didn't. Immanuel

Grok · Post by **Grok** » Mon Jul 15, 2002 1:27 am

This is long distances sound reinforcement. You can hear it from 2 km because it is a directed and projected sound with long distance characteristics. It doesn't means that it is so loud as we could think.

I'm too bad with english for explaining it well, is there a sound reinforcement engineer that knows english here???

bosone · Post by **bosone** » Mon Jul 15, 2002 2:18 am

this is a REAL problem for our generation.
i AM a bit deaf, (well, soemthing more than "a bit"... i have a loss of 40-50 db at 8000Khz

(( ) but NOT because i listened to high volume music. My mother have hearing problems and, when a child, i was probably cured from a disease with wrong medicines.
i never went to disco and never listened music to high volume. when i played in my group (now i stopped it) i always wore earplugs.
now i'm making music, am playing guitar and keyboard at home, but i am loosing half of the spectrum...
the real problem is that earing is always considered perfect (how many of you did a hearing test??) and it is never considered a problem. mass media and entarteiment businnes have a role in all this loud music and will make all of us deaf in a few year. FUCK!
btw, i am 26 years old...

Valium · Post by **Valium** » Mon Jul 15, 2002 2:26 am

Grok I know what you mean by "directed sound" and I do know there are quite easy, simple and cheap solutions to keep from getting the sound of the festival area. Just by orienting the speakers in a particular setup can help a bit among other simple things that "any" sound engineer should know about. Unfortunately a lot of those engineers rather put 4 2000 watts speakers up in front of the stage than using 8 or more smaller ones and setting them up like it should be. Also using more but less powerfull speakers adds up to the quality of the sound throughout the whole area without putting much strain on anyones hearing nor the neighbours rest ...

Greetz

Sunshine · Post by **Sunshine** » Mon Jul 15, 2002 5:08 am

What´s interesting is that, according to "Rupert Neve", also older people can feel this "higher samplerate and bandwidth" thing. Rupert said that it´s not a matter of age since it can not be heard anyway, it can only be "percieved". When a signal path goes beyond 100k he (aged 75) is also capable of "hearing" those high frequencies.

I´m no "live sound engineer", but the louder things are played the more those frequencies will sound equal loud in ampülitude. At least that´s one of the acoustical phenomenons that do exist.

Regards,
Sunshine

Immanuel · Post by **Immanuel** » Mon Jul 15, 2002 5:10 am

I read in the newspaper today, that it was "only" 35.000 listeners.
And they do use 2 or 3 pair of towers for those concerts.
One set at the stage
One set further away
Maybe even one more set - I can not remember from previous years.

Immanuel