Wich program do you recommend for hard disk recording?

The Z Station · Post by **The Z Station** » Sat Jul 06, 2002 12:25 pm

On 2002-07-06 12:30, Grok wrote:

Samplitude was created by Sek'D, on the Amiga.

OH REALLY?! As an Amiga user, that's news to me?! The only "pro" HDR I know the Amiga has under its platform is Delfina. Although I do recall hearing something about Samplitude in the mid-late 90's, but by that time, I was already a CW tripleDAT fanatic.

Delfina
1: http://www.petsoff.com/faq.html

Samplitude Opus (Amiga)
1: http://www.act-net.com/Samplitude/
2: http://www.act-net.com/Samplitude/about.html
3: http://www.act-net.com/Samplitude/changes.html

Amiga ProAudio
http://www.youngmonkey.ca/nose/articles ... ndLab.html

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Grok · Post by **Grok** » Sat Jul 06, 2002 2:10 pm

OH REALLY?! As an Amiga user, that's news to me?!

[ This Message was edited by: The Z Station on 2002-07-06 13:32 ]

Well I never been an Amiga user (I started with the Atari) but I knew that by reading newspapers.

Extract of http://www.act-net.com/Samplitude/about.html :" Samplitude's past, present and future

Being invented and developed by SEK'D Software in Dresden, Germany, A.C.T. has taken over development of Samplitude Amiga in summer 1997 to allow SEK'D to concentrate on their PC ports and the development of high quality DSP functions (which Samplitude Amiga will benefit from as well) and move Samplitude Amiga even closer to the major sound application on Amiga."

Don't know if the Amiga version of Samplitude is at the level of the PC version; the PC's Samplitude is one of the best piece of software created ever, for professionals. Samplitude has a superior quality level, second to none.

The Z Station · Post by **The Z Station** » Sat Jul 06, 2002 3:14 pm

"Well I never been an Amiga user (I started with the Atari) but I knew that by reading newspapers."

After being sold to CW and tripleDAT, I was pretty much tuned out to everything else - even the Amiga stuff.

Samplitude Opus for the Amiga is probably not up-to-par with the PC version - of course! I downloaded a full version (523K LZH!, 51% compression). Unfortunately,it only works under Workbench 3.1+. I'm still using WB2.1

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Immanuel · Post by **Immanuel** » Sun Jul 07, 2002 8:19 am

Many people here recomend Samplitude. Do any of you use it with CW cards? I get heavy delays, if I put a microphone next to the speaker and "copy" a previous take. But then - I never was satisfied with my "delays" in Logic either. Is it because of my Pulsar1 being slow? Will Samplitude work with usable latencies, when I get my scope srb? If the answer is no, I will realy need something else. Also, does anybody know, when asio drivers will be awailable for Samplitude?

Immanuel

Grok · Post by **Grok** » Sun Jul 07, 2002 10:04 am

Samplitude works fine with Pulsar on Win98SE.

With WinXP, there is the Creamware's WDM drivers issue: no properly working 24 bit recording.

But you can do your mixes in 32 bit internally in Samplitude, with XP.

Immanuel · Post by **Immanuel** » Sun Jul 07, 2002 10:47 am

I am on win98se (chubby) myself, so if you say it works fine, it must be my Pulsar1 latency. Wich drivers do you use? I use "Wave 24 interleaved" (I believe that was the name).

Immanuel

Post by **garyb** » Sun Jul 07, 2002 12:38 pm

samplitude is great(i use it for cd mastering),but i need something to handle midi and audio so i'm still stuck with logic. it's a great program even if apple is rotten.latency shouldn't be an issue unless you are monitoring the signal being recorded thru samplitude(and then thru pulsar) instead of thru pulsar only....

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Immanuel · Post by **Immanuel** » Sun Jul 07, 2002 12:52 pm

This is how I get my bad latency:

1) I record a track on samplitude (thru Pulsar)
2) I play the track from samplitude (thru Pulsar) and record the sound comming out of the speakers with a microphone with samplitude (thru Pulsar).
3) When I play back track 1 and 2 simultaneously, track 2 is way behind track 1.

This means, that every time I record an extra track, I will have to move it after the recording.

I guess I will just have to calculate, how much I must move track 2, to keep it in sync with track 1 :/

Immanuel

Post by **garyb** » Sun Jul 07, 2002 1:04 pm

yeah, that'll make latency.the total latency should be determined by your ulli settings.just curious,what is the advantage to rerecording a track off your monitor speakers?fattening bass?for normal overdubs and punch-ins latency should not be an issue.

Immanuel · Post by **Immanuel** » Sun Jul 07, 2002 2:37 pm

It is not something I use for artistic purpose. I use it as a test. If I record a guitar as track 1, and then want to record a singer for track 2 I will get the same latency:

1) It will take one "unit" of latency, before the singer can hear the guitar (the long jurney from Samplitude to Creamware (+ a tiny bit of conversion latency, but that is not important)).

2) Then the singer will sing in perfect sync with the allready delayed guitar track, but it will take another unit of latency for the voice to get all the way to Samplitude.

Therefor, when recording in layers, I get the double latency - kind of like, when you apply an effect in xtc mode.

I have a feeling the wave drivers have higher latency than the asio drivers, but as I was ready to test it a friend called with PC problems, the test will follow soon.

Immanuel

Immanuel · Post by **Immanuel** » Sun Jul 07, 2002 3:16 pm

Test results:

Copying track 1 thru Pulsar and back to Samplitude as track 2 (no speakers involved in this test):

I must delay track 1 46080 samples = 1,045 seconds (1.045 for the american). This gives me perfect cancelation, when I invert track 2 in the Pulsar mixer.

To say this another way, My ULLI just raised to 500ms. I actually might be able to work with this, I will just have to build up a rutine of moving tracks.

I have the tracks running in a loop right now - they are dead silent. It was very nice to zoom in so far, the samples where 1cm wide!!

I kind of like Samplitude. Still nice to have so long (end of september) to test out stuff though. To me, this sour apple taking over Emagic actually might end up for the better.

Immanuel

davo · Post by **davo** » Sun Jul 07, 2002 9:16 pm

Hi Immanuel
I don't know about this latency stuff, I can record say 8 stereo tracks through the Pulsar and into Samplitude and then do some more tracking like voice or extra guitar with no latency or moving tracks around to get it tight.

You mentioned in an earlier post about the drivers I use the 24bit wave dest/source. The ULLI settings won't work with wave drivers only asio drivers

Samplitude is a very powerful application, you will need to spend plenty of time with it. There is a pdf version of the manual available to dwnld.

cheers Davo

Immanuel · Post by **Immanuel** » Mon Jul 08, 2002 12:21 am

Yes, it is powerfull

- and to me more userfriendly than Logic was. I can not understand however, how you get no latency, and I get so much? All I did to get that delaytency was to set the mixer in samplitude to send track 1 to pulsar rec 2, and then in Pulsar I send wave 24bit directly back to samplitude... Well I will look latency up in the manual. b.t.w. it is a very fine manual in my opinion.

Immanuel

Immanuel · Post by **Immanuel** » Mon Jul 08, 2002 12:43 pm

I found the reason for my delaytency.
Both rec and play must be activated at the same time.
So far, the only way I have managed this is by using punch in.
Before I pressed both buttons and this caused the "way out of sync" recording/playback.

Now I made another test, and something must be wrong, because it is perfect!!!

I record the metronome to track one
I play track 1 into Pulsar and back to track 2
The new track is in sample accurate sync

Somehow I can not believe this result is correct. Can I realy be so lucky, that I found an application, that lets me throw music from the recorder to pulsar and back again within 1/44k second?

If something is wrong in my test, I would like someone to tell me.
If not, I have found my new tool

Hah

apple:evil: on purpose does a bad job distributing Samplitude, so magix goes down :/
Well now - time to have fun. Samplitude studio is not that expensive, I can try to sell my Logic license, and my "studio" works now better than ever - somehow I am suddenly happy,

-> apple <-

took over Emagic (sorry for those of you, who feel otherwice. Apple (and the Emagic people, who decided to sell are still

= evil

Immanuel

The Z Station · Post by **The Z Station** » Mon Jul 08, 2002 4:11 pm

Samplitude is more what I was looking for before I hopped into the Logic bandwagon. I'm in no need of the enxtensive MIDI functions that Logic or Cubase offers but it sure is nice to know that those features are available when called for. But, most part of my projects are pretty much live now and all my sequences are done on my Amiga/KCS.
I wish that I would have known more about Samplitude then, as it was more closely akin to tripleDAT.

How would you (for those who have used Nuendo/SX, Samplitude, or even Vegas video) compare these DAWs?

*Yet, still no regrets with WinLogic 5 Plat .

_________________
Go and make music, regardless!

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Sunshine · Post by **Sunshine** » Mon Jul 08, 2002 5:20 pm

I´ve talked to one of the former managers that have worked for SEK´D. He is now working for "Merging". Merging has the "Pyramix" system which might be the most stable/best platform that exsist in Windows world... By that time I was more interested in "Pyramix" and not in Samplitude. But as we talked he told me how carefully things have been handled at SEK´D and that besides the customer support they were always more interested in "quality" than "distribution". We all know to what that has finally lead! Nonetheless, I got curios about Samplitude... But, I really needed three attempts till I finally picked "Samp" as my audio - tracking - mixing - mastering application. Before that I have only been dealing whith Cubase-audio Xt, digital tapes and occasionally Protools and Sadie. Then I picked "Nuendo" because I wanted to have "audio" and "midi" in one application and kept yelling in forums that Steinberg should improve the midi part of it. But we all know the first app Steinberg has released that has it both, has just been released whith "SX". So if you don´t need "midi" that much, "Samp" is definitly the better audio application. But if you are also into "composition" and need "midi" Cubase will give you what you are looking for. Also for things like "time-streching" you can hardly beat Nuendo/Cubase. But for "fast file handling" and "object orientated editing" Samplitude is hard to beat. Actually a growing number of mastering engineers also pick "Samplitude" or "Sequoia" as their main app instead of "Sadie" or "Sonic Solutions" today. The "FFT-filters" some "phase-linear" tools", the "SRC" the "object oriented editing" and "stereo spreader" make this app very suitable for "mastering" tasks.

Regards,
Sunshine

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The Z Station · Post by **The Z Station** » Mon Jul 08, 2002 5:44 pm

I've downloaded the Samplitude Opus 4 for the Amiga which is only about 512K (51% compressed LZH = 1.3MB uncompressed). For that size, I don't really think that it could compare to the PC version but, I'm just dying to try - just for kicks - the pix I've seen sure looks good though! Unfortunately, I need Workbench v3.1 to run it, so now, I'm looking at Ebay to find a cheap Amiga 1200!

Though, I'd definitely download the trial demo (PC)!

davo · Post by **davo** » Mon Jul 08, 2002 8:06 pm

I believe Punch i/o recording is the way to go, and If your computer is up to it you can mix while recording.

dave

just to add. could you see Apple Macintosh distribute a Windows only application ?

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Immanuel · Post by **Immanuel** » Tue Jul 09, 2002 2:22 am

"just to add. could you see Apple Macintosh distribute a Windows only application ?"

That is exactly the reason, why I am happy to get a 90days test. At the end of September, I will make my final choise.

Immanuel

Post by **garyb** » Tue Jul 09, 2002 2:23 am

samplitude IS nice and i do use it for mastering,but if i am to get the most out of my daw,i still need midi easily synced to the audio.throw in the automation and logic still is the best thing going for tracking and mixing.grrrr.....evrything working well and simply in one app.oh well,it's all about hammers and wrenches,you know,tools.the only thing i don't like is being at a company's mercy after a big investment of time, energy and money.truth be told,i don't really care about the platform,as long as it works.i also suspect that evil runs rampant throughout the computer industry and that it is not confined to one platform or another.i'll stay on windows 'till my current box is obsolete or overly limiting compared to what is possible.the maybe i'll switch.or not.if emagic keeps thier promise to continue support for a while,it may not be an issue for quite some time(2 years is forever in the computer world, 1 year is a very,very long time)really though the real drag is one of compatability with other studios.logic was rapidly gaining acceptance in the pc world and soon many studios previously confined to cubase or cakewalk were now on the verge of switching.no longer,i'm sure.oh well,an orphan again.