FILTER DETAILS

fra77x · Post by **fra77x** » Thu Jun 20, 2002 11:14 am

Anyone can explain me the factors that give the filter "it's" sound.. In my opinion pulsar synths basic problem is the filters..
Does the envelopes have a react on the sound?

snoopy4ever · Post by **snoopy4ever** » Thu Jun 20, 2002 11:50 am

What do you mean by sound problems??
'cause I love the way the synths sounds.

Snoopy

subhuman · Post by **subhuman** » Thu Jun 20, 2002 12:19 pm

I don't know how much you've played with Zarg synths/WineCountry, nor some of the new SFP synths, but there are some really nice filters in those... at least as good as some of the VAs on the market (comparing Nord,Virus,Waldorf here) edit: But I agree, some of the older CW synths have a relatively weak filter. My advice is to avoid those synths with the filters you don't like

-- there are many more synths to choose from on the CW platform that might have the filter characteristics you DO like...

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fra77x · Post by **fra77x** » Thu Jun 20, 2002 1:53 pm

I haven't use Zarg synths - And i like the pulsar sound but for some sounds (with resonance or 303 like) the Novation filters are very good which makes me think that it's a weak point on pulsar synths (i am mainly use the modular and i don't like the lowpass filter)
The highpass and bandpass are very good...
I 'm thinking for the filters that is a very basic element on a virtual analog that enables you to explore sounds...

fra77x · Post by **fra77x** » Thu Jun 20, 2002 1:54 pm

I haven't use Zarg synths - And i like the pulsar sound but for some sounds (with resonance or 303 like) the Novation filters are very good which makes me think that it's a weak point on pulsar synths (i am mainly use the modular and i don't like the lowpass filter)
The highpass and bandpass are very good...
I 'm thinking for the filters that is a very basic element on a virtual analog that enables you to explore sounds...

astroman · Post by **astroman** » Thu Jun 20, 2002 4:30 pm

then you might check John's unbelievable christmas freebie as an appetizer

http://www.planetz.com/forums/viewtopic ... forum=16&6

subhuman · Post by **subhuman** » Thu Jun 20, 2002 6:31 pm

Or, more specifically, check out Lightwave in V3.1a... totally awesome.

Noctulius · Post by **Noctulius** » Thu Jun 20, 2002 8:32 pm

Erm... Does Lightwave in 3.1 really differ from the one in 3.01? Feeling a bit confused.

fra77x · Post by **fra77x** » Fri Jun 21, 2002 1:13 am

Lightwave is very good...i like the modulation options...
i made that thread because i beleive that an improvement on the filter section will be something very good. -i don´t see any other "weak" point on SFp... i want to hear the zarg synths is there a really different filter sound than creamware synths (not the comb filter)...
By the way what's your opinion on novation filters? how do u compare it with other (creamware, waldorf, access, nord)?

astroman · Post by **astroman** » Fri Jun 21, 2002 6:41 pm

hi fra,

this animated me to check some of the filters more detailed.
Imho the basic 'filter sound' is the same as in Modular 2 through all implementations.
The differences are obviously achieved by varying parameter tuning of the developers.
A filter always causes a loss in volume, so with more resonance the signal gets weaker.
A good implementation compensates for this by driving amp and resonance accordingly. Prolly your Novation does just this in the context you like.
The basic lowpass in M2 sounds really shitty because it's physically correct.
You have to provide those extra signals at the modulation entries of filter and amp by keyfollow, envelope, lfo etc or even better some own invention.
Anything generating a controll signal goes.
That's my understanding of it, but I wouldn't consider myself an expert on Modular 2 - there's still tons of stuff to explore on this for me.
Yes, Lightwave is phantastic, spares a lot of routing

cheers, Tom

King of Snake · Post by **King of Snake** » Sat Jun 22, 2002 10:44 am

I think the filters on Lightwave and Prisma are pretty good. The only Zarg synth I have is the Pro-One and that filter sounds fantastic, really nice and "wet" when the resonance goes up. But I think the Nord Rack filters are better. (well maybe not better than the Pro-One but different and more types available. The Nord filters are really great!)

six_wax · Post by **six_wax** » Sat Jun 22, 2002 1:09 pm

LIghtwave & Prisma are the same atoms as teh rest of the stock devices, right? That means, they're the same filters. Lightwave does sound curiously brighter...

I've recently added some hardware synths to my setup. The analog filters on the A6 are of course crystalline all the way up, but the interesteing comparison is the Virus, which can go up to ear-splitting high freqs without sounding too digital, like the P filters do (especially when modulated). This is a real weakness in the Pulsar system imo. I'm suprized more optional filter packs [like the Zargs] aren't available, but then we get into that whole imaginary 3rd party thing...

[biting tongue ;]

Neutron · Post by **Neutron** » Sun Jun 23, 2002 12:01 am

There were some new filter atoms released when 3.0 came out (i believe) I like them a lot better.

thats what I used in the micro3
and the upcoming synth uses them as well.

AndreD · Post by **AndreD** » Sun Jun 23, 2002 12:54 am

For the new devices like MINIMAX, Creamware developes new Filters with internal oversampling.
They work with 200! KHz internal samplerate.
That enables a smooth filter-sound in high frequencies without aliasing effects....
I heard it in Frankfurt @ Musikmesse and it sounds really good.
Nordlead for example works near 100 kHz.