If MAC OS X ran on a pc, I don't think they'd do a better job than microsoft, think about the thousands upon thousands of pci/isa cards new and old that have to be supported by mircosoft and have drivers included with windows.
Do you really think that a smaller company would do a better job?
Microsoft are by no means perfect, but when you pit windows XP an OS that needs to run flawlessly on millions of different computer combinations, against Mac Os X a unix ripoff that supports a few dozen configurations, (don't get me wrong I happen to like its sleek UI) I think Apple would not be able to pull off the same job as microsoft.
What bugs me about a music only linux operating system is where do you draw the line?
You have an OS thats setup to record and playback audio and sequence
but then someone comes along that wants to cue the music to video, so you add video components.
Then someone comes along that wants to compose over the internet, so more bloatware,
Before you know somebody wants to hookup multiple computers ala system link.
Then you want to write it all down to cd, so you install more stuff to do it.
The end result, the wheel has been reinvented; Linux XP, with slightly less bloatware, but completely baffling to your average musician.
Perhaps a better idea would be for microsoft to stop bundling needless crap, msn messenger etc, and for users to keep a clean, properly setup system.
A sad fact of life is that you will run into more problems relying upon the opensource community, as apose to someone who gets paid to fix problems, write drivers etc.
Why Creamware must go on Linux...!
The AGNULA project intend to give a professional Linux Platform for musicians, audio and multimedia. The AGNULA Project will support the most common soundcards (the list of supported cards is huge right now, see the link)
The first distributions of AGNULA will come soon. We'll download it when it will comes. The second year of the project is dedicated to non-PCs hardwares.
This project is a very serious project supported by the E.C., there are highly competitive teams paid by the E.C.to do the job, so we can assume that it will be done.
This is a great new for musicians and sound engineers.
This is the realisation of what we want all: a stable, reliable and performant OS for audio and multimedia works. A real professional tool.
I would like Creamware to be a part of this revolution. I would like to use my 3 Creamware cards with a rock stable OS that gives more power to my system. I don't want to be forced to buy another card for being able to use AGNULA. But if it's the only solution, I'll do that.
Don't you see what's going on? Acoustical Modelisation exist in Linux with CSound when it is not implemented in our cards yet!!! It's the result of a collective research that benefit to all users!
Linux is the future, with or without Creamware.
The first distributions of AGNULA will come soon. We'll download it when it will comes. The second year of the project is dedicated to non-PCs hardwares.
This project is a very serious project supported by the E.C., there are highly competitive teams paid by the E.C.to do the job, so we can assume that it will be done.
This is a great new for musicians and sound engineers.
This is the realisation of what we want all: a stable, reliable and performant OS for audio and multimedia works. A real professional tool.
I would like Creamware to be a part of this revolution. I would like to use my 3 Creamware cards with a rock stable OS that gives more power to my system. I don't want to be forced to buy another card for being able to use AGNULA. But if it's the only solution, I'll do that.
Don't you see what's going on? Acoustical Modelisation exist in Linux with CSound when it is not implemented in our cards yet!!! It's the result of a collective research that benefit to all users!
Linux is the future, with or without Creamware.
Why are you laughing? Can you explain me what's wrong with the source code of the firmware? It's just basical technical stuff. If Creamware are not ok with this, they can write drivers themselves (source code of ALSA is public: nothing to pay for Creamware). I see no problems.On 2002-06-05 20:21, astroman wrote:
from the link above:
We must be able to freely distribute the firmware code as part of ALSA. We would like the source code for firmware
Grok, there's your answer
btw:
last updated: April 22, 1999
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ALSA coders needs technicals details to make our cards automatically detectables by AGNULA: it's great!!! Even Windows nor Mac OS X can't do that!!! I would love a such simple detail in a OS. Now the guys of Linux wants to make that: great!!!!
hi Grok,
the guys asked for driver details in source form, that's a business secret par excellence, noone would give that away.
The approach is so ridiculously naive that I couldn't but laugh.
To give you an example: How much developement time is in Pulsar/Scope ?
Certainly a lot.
There are guys in some areas of this world who are able to decipher the logic of such a board and supply you in less than 3 weeks with a running copy or a redesign.
No kidding.
Now add the firmware, modified of course because you have the source code, noone can sue you for copyright issues - and off you go.
Life can be that ugly...
Btw the 'firmware' better: driving software for such a board is another level of complexity than for a graphic or network card.
If you believe in the Open Source Community don't let this influence your enthusiasm.
I'm just not that optimistic for them.
cheers, Tom
the guys asked for driver details in source form, that's a business secret par excellence, noone would give that away.
The approach is so ridiculously naive that I couldn't but laugh.
To give you an example: How much developement time is in Pulsar/Scope ?
Certainly a lot.
There are guys in some areas of this world who are able to decipher the logic of such a board and supply you in less than 3 weeks with a running copy or a redesign.
No kidding.
Now add the firmware, modified of course because you have the source code, noone can sue you for copyright issues - and off you go.
Life can be that ugly...
Btw the 'firmware' better: driving software for such a board is another level of complexity than for a graphic or network card.
If you believe in the Open Source Community don't let this influence your enthusiasm.
I'm just not that optimistic for them.
cheers, Tom
Hi Tom,
Many soundcards builders have accepted these naives demands. The list of supported cards exist and is huge.
The new thing in this story is that there is not only the Open Source community in the AGNULA project, but professional teams in the field of audio and multimedia, and professional searchers. This combination can be explosive. It has never seen before, as I know.
As a user, I need professional tools. Professional means: less or no problems and no headwallbreaking (don't know if it's english, but you understand me).
My personnal experience with Creamware's card is: with 2.5 and 98SE it was ok, even if 98SE is crap. With 3.0 and Windows XP, problems started. With 3.1 and XP, new problems. I have an album to mix, and what I'm doing is not mixing but trying to build working configurations. And I have mysterious issues (exemple: XP works fine until I install Creamware's XP drivers; at this moment, XP begins to work strangely, with curious slowdowns. Very strange)
It's at the point that I'm gonna buy Hyperos 2002 to have few different 98SE and Windows XP tuned OS running in the same machine, some for recording, some for mixing, some for internet...etc...It will cost me just 300£. Sure, I'd prefer buying new plugins at Creamware's shop but my priority is to have a working configuration and no hidden problems.
Is this what Creamware promised to us at the beginning of Pulsar? No. Is this fidelity at work? No. Is Creamware fooling us? I hope no. But there are serious problems at this moment. And it seems that Creamware will take time (how many? no ones knows) to resolve some problems.
So, when AGNULA will be released, I will examine it thoroughly, for sure. And if I find that it is a real professional tool, I will not hesitate a second, even if I have to buy a Hammerfall.
Many soundcards builders have accepted these naives demands. The list of supported cards exist and is huge.
The new thing in this story is that there is not only the Open Source community in the AGNULA project, but professional teams in the field of audio and multimedia, and professional searchers. This combination can be explosive. It has never seen before, as I know.
As a user, I need professional tools. Professional means: less or no problems and no headwallbreaking (don't know if it's english, but you understand me).
My personnal experience with Creamware's card is: with 2.5 and 98SE it was ok, even if 98SE is crap. With 3.0 and Windows XP, problems started. With 3.1 and XP, new problems. I have an album to mix, and what I'm doing is not mixing but trying to build working configurations. And I have mysterious issues (exemple: XP works fine until I install Creamware's XP drivers; at this moment, XP begins to work strangely, with curious slowdowns. Very strange)
It's at the point that I'm gonna buy Hyperos 2002 to have few different 98SE and Windows XP tuned OS running in the same machine, some for recording, some for mixing, some for internet...etc...It will cost me just 300£. Sure, I'd prefer buying new plugins at Creamware's shop but my priority is to have a working configuration and no hidden problems.
Is this what Creamware promised to us at the beginning of Pulsar? No. Is this fidelity at work? No. Is Creamware fooling us? I hope no. But there are serious problems at this moment. And it seems that Creamware will take time (how many? no ones knows) to resolve some problems.
So, when AGNULA will be released, I will examine it thoroughly, for sure. And if I find that it is a real professional tool, I will not hesitate a second, even if I have to buy a Hammerfall.
hi Grok,
I'm aware of your problems, that's why I stick with 98 crappy. XP is that much different from the previous versions that problems are no surprise at all.
If you have a job to do, tech stuff doesn't matter, it simply has to work.
Wouldn't it be easier to install a bay for removeable system disks for the different setups ? 300£ = 3 disks ?
If there are recording problems I'd rather have a second machine and tranfser via Adat connection. Recently found a card for 149 bucks
the Marian Marc A.
I'm not quite shure but since I've replaced the software mixers by hardware (via Adat) my setup seems to work smoother
But it could be as well that I'm just fooled by the better handling. No mousy faders
Of course it would be nice to have new developement impulses, but these scientists seem so incredibly slow (time schedule) and many could improve their sense for general business practices a lot.
... yeah man, it's show biz, no business, no show...
cheers, Tom
I'm aware of your problems, that's why I stick with 98 crappy. XP is that much different from the previous versions that problems are no surprise at all.
If you have a job to do, tech stuff doesn't matter, it simply has to work.
Wouldn't it be easier to install a bay for removeable system disks for the different setups ? 300£ = 3 disks ?
If there are recording problems I'd rather have a second machine and tranfser via Adat connection. Recently found a card for 149 bucks
the Marian Marc A.I'm not quite shure but since I've replaced the software mixers by hardware (via Adat) my setup seems to work smoother
But it could be as well that I'm just fooled by the better handling. No mousy faders
Of course it would be nice to have new developement impulses, but these scientists seem so incredibly slow (time schedule) and many could improve their sense for general business practices a lot.
... yeah man, it's show biz, no business, no show...
cheers, Tom
If you wan't a really stable serious machine,
buy one from the poster above.
It will work flawless with XP.
There is nothing to be gained by working with Linux tomorrow opposed to work with Windows XP today tveaked by someone who knows what he is doing.
And he knows, i can tell you that.
That would be subhuman.
Someone beat me to it and posted while i was writing.
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buy one from the poster above.
It will work flawless with XP.
There is nothing to be gained by working with Linux tomorrow opposed to work with Windows XP today tveaked by someone who knows what he is doing.
And he knows, i can tell you that.
That would be subhuman.
Someone beat me to it and posted while i was writing.
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Quickly wrote: 24bit an above wave WDM recording issue in XP (when ASIO works fine), STS bad working (crackles), XTC mode doesn't work properly (crackles with Scope plugins when native plugins works fine).On 2002-06-07 09:51, subhuman wrote:
<i>But there are serious problems at this moment. </i>
Care to explain what these "serious problems" are?
Perhaps there are some hidden issues: as I wrote, when I format/reinstall XP and then install scope drivers, at the moment scope drivers are installed, XP begin to curiously slow down the opening of windows and programs. Very irritating. I'm in PC standard mode with IRQ taken by the bios.
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300£ = 3 disksOn 2002-06-07 10:07, astroman wrote:
Wouldn't it be easier to install a bay for removeable system disks for the different setups ? 300£ = 3 disks ?
300£ = Hyperos 2002 release 6 = 20 OSes in the same machine switchable in 20 seconds, and the possibility of running 95,98 and Me in RAM hyperdrive (768 MB Ram minimum) 20 times fastest than hard disks.
RAM Hyperdrive is supposed to solve the W98 corruptions issues, because all is in RAM and nothing is written to disk.
If this prog really works, maybe it's THE solution. I'll tell you later.
http://www.hyperos2002.com
BeOS whas there, able to be bought by only 60 U$S, in a FULL PROFESSIONAL version for AUDIO AND VIDEO.
What had happens... BeOS is broken...THe last time you could read in ther web page "sorry to our investors and shareholders"
There is a BIG BIG monster called Microsoft that is making al the necessary thing to be THE ONLY one. It is getting into MAC world too...
I hope there is NOT one, but Two or Three different DAW Operating Systems. That will be really greatefull... For my, I had installed once the first of them... BeoS...
DJATWORK
What had happens... BeOS is broken...THe last time you could read in ther web page "sorry to our investors and shareholders"
There is a BIG BIG monster called Microsoft that is making al the necessary thing to be THE ONLY one. It is getting into MAC world too...
I hope there is NOT one, but Two or Three different DAW Operating Systems. That will be really greatefull... For my, I had installed once the first of them... BeoS...
DJATWORK
Luis Maria Gonzalez Lentijo
DjatWork! Optimizaciones
Buenos Aires
Argentina
DjatWork! Optimizaciones
Buenos Aires
Argentina
Hyperos helps to solve these Windows issues and gives you control on your computerOn 2002-08-12 11:27, at0mic wrote:
Not so pro Linux, rather anti-M$:
http://www.hevanet.com/peace/microsoft.htm
The Mac OS X is bound to be better once all the software and drivers are native to it because it is 64 bit as Linux is but there already is a Windows XP 64 bit version and it's a matter of time before it's released to the masses. As for the BeOS I know emagic was working on Logic for it and then there was some sort of a bitter dispute with BE. I never heard the details but would love to if anyone knows. Linux is the only OS that isn't controled by a greedy corporation. The Linux philosophy is fantastic. If only there were some killer must have applications I would start using it now on a multi-boot system or use two computers.
The Mac OS X is bound to be better once all the software and drivers are native to it because it is 64 bit as Linux is but there already is a Windows XP 64 bit version and it's a matter of time before it's released to the masses. As for the BeOS I know emagic was working on Logic for it and then there was some sort of a bitter dispute with BE. I never heard the details but would love to if anyone knows. Linux is the only OS that isn't controled by a greedy corporation. The Linux philosophy is fantastic. If only there were some killer must have applications I would start using it now on a multi-boot system or use two computers.