It would be nice to have some help here from the experts. Please, give us your tips:
This is something I’m sure many of us needs to do. If your computer is 3 or 4 years old, you will definitely feel identified with this:
My system is divided in twice through BootMagic, the Studio side being one, and the Office side being two.
I need to thoroughly clean up my system, particularly the Studio side cos is full of rubbish. What to do if you need to clean up your HDs of all kind of little pieces of software you are no longer running causing you problems? I have used this computer for about 4 years and a half now, and so, I’ve installed all sorts of things from the net and would like to start from radical “0” again!
Which is the procedure, what to do exactly no to go into trouble? Thanks…
This is something, I’m sure, MANY of us NEEDS to do!
Wipe that hard drive. Kill everything. Leave nothing. Reinstall from the beginning.
This is refreshing. It is good for the soul and the machine. You will quickly be able to see what you really value when the choice is "delete this or include it in the archive burn ?"
Nah, delete it.
Your machine will thank you.
This is refreshing. It is good for the soul and the machine. You will quickly be able to see what you really value when the choice is "delete this or include it in the archive burn ?"
Nah, delete it.
Your machine will thank you.
Nuke it!
Then Reinstall the OS
Personaly if it was me, I'd completely refomat the whole computer, destroying the fact that there is even a partition... So basicaly get to the point where your Hard drive is only one drive (not divided like you said it was) Then format everything. Now you have cleaned your system... Next step is to re-setup the partition (Virtualy splitting the drive into two separate drives). After that Set up the OS on one drive and the studio stuff on the other.
Or you could just save yourself a lot of trouble and get two separate physical drives!
For example, get a 20gb for the Office (or more depending on how much OfficeSpace you need) and get a 60gb for the audio. You could then split the 60gb audio drive into two partitions of 16 and 45 or somthing like that. Then you could use the larger of the two for a scratch disc and the smaller for audio programs.
wow... I sure did get carried away...
FUN FUN FUN
Then Reinstall the OS
Personaly if it was me, I'd completely refomat the whole computer, destroying the fact that there is even a partition... So basicaly get to the point where your Hard drive is only one drive (not divided like you said it was) Then format everything. Now you have cleaned your system... Next step is to re-setup the partition (Virtualy splitting the drive into two separate drives). After that Set up the OS on one drive and the studio stuff on the other.
Or you could just save yourself a lot of trouble and get two separate physical drives!
For example, get a 20gb for the Office (or more depending on how much OfficeSpace you need) and get a 60gb for the audio. You could then split the 60gb audio drive into two partitions of 16 and 45 or somthing like that. Then you could use the larger of the two for a scratch disc and the smaller for audio programs.
wow... I sure did get carried away...
FUN FUN FUN
CAPO
I definitely vote FOR partitioning a lonely drive. That way you will usually be able to rescue your not-yet-back-uped work from drive-D, if it happens there is no way out but to format the partition with the OS.
Also, if you have 2 drives, I would recomend having dual boot on one of them, and have the second drive for waw, dev, mod, pro and whatever music files you have - and nothing else. This is no pro advice though.
Immanuel
Also, if you have 2 drives, I would recomend having dual boot on one of them, and have the second drive for waw, dev, mod, pro and whatever music files you have - and nothing else. This is no pro advice though.
Immanuel
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You should be deleting, reformating and reinstalling your machines regularly (I reckon every 2-3 months) - as a developer I've got used to this (nothing f**ks up machines more than developing things on them 
) but you will really notice the difference - get a CDR drive for backups if you haven't got one. Also memory and disk drives are so cheap now - make sure you have got as much memory as possible and a couple of big hard disks.
It sounds like a big deal reformating and reinstalling but thats only if you don't do it. I reckon I can do either of my machines (laptop and desktop) in a couple of hours flat. Get used to doing it and do it often.
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) but you will really notice the difference - get a CDR drive for backups if you haven't got one. Also memory and disk drives are so cheap now - make sure you have got as much memory as possible and a couple of big hard disks. It sounds like a big deal reformating and reinstalling but thats only if you don't do it. I reckon I can do either of my machines (laptop and desktop) in a couple of hours flat. Get used to doing it and do it often.
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I have 2 HD's, the first is a dual boot,
one for music, one for everything else.
The third partition is a backup for files.
The second HD has an audio partition (32k clusters).Samples and song data also have their own partitions.
Instead of re-installing from scratch every
10-12 months I just restore an image of a
fresh install using Norton ghost.Takes about
5mins instead of 3-4 hrs.
Because I've slimmed everything down so much I can fit an entire Win98 music OS (complete with programs) onto a single CDR.
BTW, a handy tip if you want to make installing multiple boards easier.
I run a pulsar and powersampler, so instead of installing the software for both boards,
I just install the Pulsar software and just the drivers for each board.I saved the STS
sampler device file from a previous install,
so I just bung this into the relevant pulsar folder and type in the serial and soft key when asked, works no problem.This is one of the things I've done to cut my entire Music OS down to 524mb so it fits on CD.
Only install what you really need, all I have
is Pulsar with DL and bought synths etc.
Logic with a handful of useful VST plugs and
Sound diver for hardware.Thats it.
No problems, no lockups, no crashes.
one for music, one for everything else.
The third partition is a backup for files.
The second HD has an audio partition (32k clusters).Samples and song data also have their own partitions.
Instead of re-installing from scratch every
10-12 months I just restore an image of a
fresh install using Norton ghost.Takes about
5mins instead of 3-4 hrs.
Because I've slimmed everything down so much I can fit an entire Win98 music OS (complete with programs) onto a single CDR.
BTW, a handy tip if you want to make installing multiple boards easier.
I run a pulsar and powersampler, so instead of installing the software for both boards,
I just install the Pulsar software and just the drivers for each board.I saved the STS
sampler device file from a previous install,
so I just bung this into the relevant pulsar folder and type in the serial and soft key when asked, works no problem.This is one of the things I've done to cut my entire Music OS down to 524mb so it fits on CD.
Only install what you really need, all I have
is Pulsar with DL and bought synths etc.
Logic with a handful of useful VST plugs and
Sound diver for hardware.Thats it.
No problems, no lockups, no crashes.
Use Norton Utilities and Drive Image and Partition Magic. If anything goes drastically wrong you can restore your system. Once every few years when a new operating system such as Windows XP comes along it may be best to format your hard drive(s) and install everything from scratch even though this may take days or weeks!
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If you have several drives/partitions, you can have your win98 folder on another drive than the C (if you use win98). Then to install, you need the 98 boot disk, and you install from the folder instead of from the CD-ROM. This also comes in handy, if you install stuff, that usually needs the win98 CD. It will most of the time find it without asking, because it makes a clever guess, the information is, where it got it first time. On a pure music-PC (no office, LAN...) I personally find it overkill to format and reinstall every 3rd month. You don't mess up such a system, so there is not much reason cleaning it up. Ofcoarse there are the updates though, but if it works fine with no problems - don't waste your time. Defragging is good to do on a regular basis though.
Immanuel
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Format your harddisk... delete your partitions.
And then install Win2000, Logic 5.10 and Pulsar Ver.3.1
And then try to run Logic and Pulsar the same time.. and you will see that it will never work !!!
So then take the Pulsar Cards and sell them as fast as possible and use only Logic with VST Plugins and Synths.. and you will be happy.
And then install Win2000, Logic 5.10 and Pulsar Ver.3.1
And then try to run Logic and Pulsar the same time.. and you will see that it will never work !!!
So then take the Pulsar Cards and sell them as fast as possible and use only Logic with VST Plugins and Synths.. and you will be happy.
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Hello Everybody! This is an answer/questions to all of those who have kindly post before answering, thanks for reading this replay:
This is exactly what I want to do Spirit, but I’d better knowing how to, or I may get in very serious troubles! I know that wiping out everything is the best way and solution for the machine, but HOW… this is the matter. Which method would you use Spirit?
Nuke it? Woww CAPO… there you are going hard man that makes sense with your name anyway! You’re right, I actually have two drives, to 10Gbs IBM IDE 72.000. One of them it’s partitioned to handle the programs at both sides of the computer, the Studio side and the Office side. The second one is used to record audio and handle samples. I know I’m getting small, but I can’t afford to buy new HDs at the moment. Anyway, I wouldn’t like to remove the partition as is, cos I don’t know how to manage MagicBoot, and the seller did not supplied me with a copy, they just installed it for free coming from a computer magazine.
As I said below Spirit, I have two 10 Gbs HDs, so I think the cleaning process can be made with ease, if there a tutorials and so on the net. Thanks for the tip.
This is exactly what I do Immanuel, I have two drives and one of them is loaded with MagicBoot, set to two ways of starting the computer, one for the Pulsar Studio, and the other for the Office things.
Junklight, I do have a CDR, it’s a Yamaha 6X4X16 SCSI one, so I can backup everything. My memory is 512 PC100 of Ram, is it enough to handle everything? To be honest with you, I’m scared to death to go into the complete reinstallation of the programs! Why? Because I have to reinstall the Network Card, drivers, etc., and this some times causes so many incompatibilities that drives me mad, particularly cos I don’t have the time to be off line for a long time, or without the service of the computer. I guess you can do it in two hours cos you know what you’re doing, I may do it in two weeks. That is why I’m looking for a middle solution, like doing it but from the established ground… Well, I guess I’m dreaming cos it sounds impossible and contradictory. What else could I do?
Xantia, that sounds more like it! What about Norton Ghost? Interesting you do everything with Norton… Well, not having Norton Ghost installed, if I do, I need a clean image as you are suggesting, so I should nevertheless, for the first time, reinstall everything as said before. Am I right?
Braincell, Drive Image and Partition Magic? Isn’t that enough to handle everything with Norton Ghost? I already have MagicBoot and it works very well.
Siriusbliss, I can’t buy a new drive. If I could, I would, and even better, I would buy an SRB…
Immanuel, yes, this is a bit more like what I’m looking for. The problem is that I’m working and will have more work to do soon, so I can’t really go loose trying out something I can’t handle with absolute certainty. If I was just fixing the system with no responsibilities in time, believe me, I would not even ask for questions, I would just delete everything and reinstall everything without thinking much, but it’s too risky.
Finally, I guess after reading carefully to all of your answers, the Norton Ghost is my best bet, and I would do it this way:
ONE: Install Win98SE again into your “Audio” Drive.
TWO: Create a Boot Dick.
THRE: Back-up all you need to back-up.
FOUR: Uninstall everything from drive C.
FIVE: Install Win98SE again into drive C.
SIX: Install all your programs into C an then uninstall everything from “Audio” drive.
SEVEN: Get an Clean Image with Norton Ghost to be used regularly, from your brand new installation of drive C.
Am I right, is this the procedure or I’m wrong? Thanks.
This is exactly what I want to do Spirit, but I’d better knowing how to, or I may get in very serious troubles! I know that wiping out everything is the best way and solution for the machine, but HOW… this is the matter. Which method would you use Spirit?
Nuke it? Woww CAPO… there you are going hard man that makes sense with your name anyway! You’re right, I actually have two drives, to 10Gbs IBM IDE 72.000. One of them it’s partitioned to handle the programs at both sides of the computer, the Studio side and the Office side. The second one is used to record audio and handle samples. I know I’m getting small, but I can’t afford to buy new HDs at the moment. Anyway, I wouldn’t like to remove the partition as is, cos I don’t know how to manage MagicBoot, and the seller did not supplied me with a copy, they just installed it for free coming from a computer magazine.
As I said below Spirit, I have two 10 Gbs HDs, so I think the cleaning process can be made with ease, if there a tutorials and so on the net. Thanks for the tip.
This is exactly what I do Immanuel, I have two drives and one of them is loaded with MagicBoot, set to two ways of starting the computer, one for the Pulsar Studio, and the other for the Office things.
Junklight, I do have a CDR, it’s a Yamaha 6X4X16 SCSI one, so I can backup everything. My memory is 512 PC100 of Ram, is it enough to handle everything? To be honest with you, I’m scared to death to go into the complete reinstallation of the programs! Why? Because I have to reinstall the Network Card, drivers, etc., and this some times causes so many incompatibilities that drives me mad, particularly cos I don’t have the time to be off line for a long time, or without the service of the computer. I guess you can do it in two hours cos you know what you’re doing, I may do it in two weeks. That is why I’m looking for a middle solution, like doing it but from the established ground… Well, I guess I’m dreaming cos it sounds impossible and contradictory. What else could I do?
Xantia, that sounds more like it! What about Norton Ghost? Interesting you do everything with Norton… Well, not having Norton Ghost installed, if I do, I need a clean image as you are suggesting, so I should nevertheless, for the first time, reinstall everything as said before. Am I right?
Braincell, Drive Image and Partition Magic? Isn’t that enough to handle everything with Norton Ghost? I already have MagicBoot and it works very well.
Siriusbliss, I can’t buy a new drive. If I could, I would, and even better, I would buy an SRB…
Immanuel, yes, this is a bit more like what I’m looking for. The problem is that I’m working and will have more work to do soon, so I can’t really go loose trying out something I can’t handle with absolute certainty. If I was just fixing the system with no responsibilities in time, believe me, I would not even ask for questions, I would just delete everything and reinstall everything without thinking much, but it’s too risky.
Finally, I guess after reading carefully to all of your answers, the Norton Ghost is my best bet, and I would do it this way:
ONE: Install Win98SE again into your “Audio” Drive.
TWO: Create a Boot Dick.
THRE: Back-up all you need to back-up.
FOUR: Uninstall everything from drive C.
FIVE: Install Win98SE again into drive C.
SIX: Install all your programs into C an then uninstall everything from “Audio” drive.
SEVEN: Get an Clean Image with Norton Ghost to be used regularly, from your brand new installation of drive C.
Am I right, is this the procedure or I’m wrong? Thanks.
first a staff, now a dick!!! nestor, you gotta take some lessons from eliam. learn how to stream the sexual vibes.On 2002-06-04 10:12, Nestor wrote:
TWO: Create a Boot Dick.
anyway, i have two HD's both partitionned (total of seven part.): two OS's (audio, office), audio (aiff, song, projects,... one folder for each 'project' as a whole), samples, other files,...
it works fine, but it's not what a pro wants, i think. (looking for a second computer...)
It is a boot disk
Also you can not install win98 to a drive, that does not have it allready without deleting everything on that drive. What you need to do is:
0) Download latest chipset drivers, grafik drivers, microsoft updates (not with windows updater - do it so you download the actual files for later installation), latest directx - try to plan everything you want to install, so you have it ready on your hard drive (not drive c) or CD-ROM. If you do not remember everything it is no catastrofe, but make shure, you have the chipset drivers and microsoft updates.
1) copy the win98 folder from your win98 CD-ROM. Put it on the root of your drive for convenience. D:win98 or E:win98 is good
2) create a bbot disk in add/reomve programs in controll panel
3) make shure to back up everything important on your c-drive
4) boot with the boot disk
5) format drive c
6) go to drive d (or e)
7) go to your win98 folder
install.exe (or setup.exe)
9) install the microsoft updates and then your chipset drivers as the first thing (after that the order is not so important). Then direcx, then grafik card, Pulsar driver, other hardware...
10) install software. I like to install programs in a folder in c:1*** where *** = name of the software. The folder named 1 always stays on top in file managers (like windows explorer), and it makes it easyer for my to check out, what I wanted to install, and what came hidden with other software.
This gives you a clean win98 installation. I do nt remember the exact dos codes to change drive and go to a folder. I just do it. Sorry.
Another thing you can do, while waiting to do the big thing is, download regcleaner (not regclean). It is a nice little program, that finds stuff in you registry, that you are no longer using, and gives you the option to delete it. This can realy help on an old PC, that has had tons of different software on and of.
512MB RAM is enough for almost anything. Unless you use very many samplers at the same time, you should have no problem.
Immanuel
Also you can not install win98 to a drive, that does not have it allready without deleting everything on that drive. What you need to do is:
0) Download latest chipset drivers, grafik drivers, microsoft updates (not with windows updater - do it so you download the actual files for later installation), latest directx - try to plan everything you want to install, so you have it ready on your hard drive (not drive c) or CD-ROM. If you do not remember everything it is no catastrofe, but make shure, you have the chipset drivers and microsoft updates.
1) copy the win98 folder from your win98 CD-ROM. Put it on the root of your drive for convenience. D:win98 or E:win98 is good
2) create a bbot disk in add/reomve programs in controll panel
3) make shure to back up everything important on your c-drive
4) boot with the boot disk
5) format drive c
6) go to drive d (or e)
7) go to your win98 folder
install.exe (or setup.exe)9) install the microsoft updates and then your chipset drivers as the first thing (after that the order is not so important). Then direcx, then grafik card, Pulsar driver, other hardware...
10) install software. I like to install programs in a folder in c:1*** where *** = name of the software. The folder named 1 always stays on top in file managers (like windows explorer), and it makes it easyer for my to check out, what I wanted to install, and what came hidden with other software.
This gives you a clean win98 installation. I do nt remember the exact dos codes to change drive and go to a folder. I just do it. Sorry.
Another thing you can do, while waiting to do the big thing is, download regcleaner (not regclean). It is a nice little program, that finds stuff in you registry, that you are no longer using, and gives you the option to delete it. This can realy help on an old PC, that has had tons of different software on and of.
512MB RAM is enough for almost anything. Unless you use very many samplers at the same time, you should have no problem.
Immanuel
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Nestor, you mentioned ghost.
Yup, the best way is to still re-install
win98, and then create an image of this fresh install with ghost.You don't install ghost to the HD, you just use it on a floppy.
One tip with using ghost tho, make images as you go along during the re-install.Make one straight after win98 has finished installing.
Then install the basic system drivers (graphics and ATA drivers) and make another image.Now do all your music OS tweaks and install your music software and drivers and make one final image of this.
You can use these different images if you change to a newer version of Pulsar or sequencer, or if you change graphics card and/or mobo the raw win install is useful
then.
Personally, I'd leave your Audio and samples partitions as they are.I've had samples left
on my HD's for years with no problem.
Yup, the best way is to still re-install
win98, and then create an image of this fresh install with ghost.You don't install ghost to the HD, you just use it on a floppy.
One tip with using ghost tho, make images as you go along during the re-install.Make one straight after win98 has finished installing.
Then install the basic system drivers (graphics and ATA drivers) and make another image.Now do all your music OS tweaks and install your music software and drivers and make one final image of this.
You can use these different images if you change to a newer version of Pulsar or sequencer, or if you change graphics card and/or mobo the raw win install is useful
then.
Personally, I'd leave your Audio and samples partitions as they are.I've had samples left
on my HD's for years with no problem.
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