Hi,
Does anybody agree/disagree with this post?
Regards,
Andrew.
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I've finally got a working system!2.2G P4 NW,1024 RD RAM,Asus
P4TE,Motu 2408+Expanders,Logic 5,EXS 24+Complete Waves Plug ins and
removal of all of my Creamware cards(3 in all,which I have now put in
a system for my 10 yr old daughter to play with!).
I don't want to start any thread with this post,I just want to
share a viewpoint of a user who has stuck with Pulsar since V1.1.
The Pulsar software has always been strewn with problems and
bugs and for me personally has not become anymore stable over the
numerous updates.I think that Creamware should stop concentrating on
updating the graphical interface of the software and start working
seriously on stability and on the SOUNDS because neither are good
enough.I ended up using my Pulsar cards to simply route my hardware
studio in and out of Logic via the adat optical connectors.Since
Logic 5,even this task has been too much for Pulsar with Asio
overloads appearing continually (this has nothing to do with Logic as
it works impeccably with the Motu card).
I hope Creamware get it together for all the users who continue
with this platform.At the end of the day people buy these cards to
help in their production and writing of music,not to look at a pretty
interface that doesn't work.
Good luck to everyone on this forum who continue to work with
the Scope/Pulsar platform.
Best Regards Lov 43
Researching Creamware, and looking for opinions.
I assume by your "neophyte poster" status that you are new to this forum and looking into purchasing a creamware board.
First of all some info about the boards:
very very versatile
great sounding
not as stable as they might always be - certainly don't do a commercial project without being VERY comfortable about it first (ie. trying out all the things you are going to do and knowing they will all behave as you expect)
Some systems are more compatible with the Creamware boards than others - fortunately you are in the right place to find out which.
There are a lot of different Creamware customers and they seem to attract more than their fair share of people who are rude and angry about what they see as short commings in - creamwares product, marketing and general effect on their life. Make of this what you will. People do seem to think that Creamware owe them something rather than being a commercial company trying to make a buck like everyone else.
As for me - I love the creamware board - since I bought it is has become the heart of my studio setup and is used on all but the most experimental of my recordings (and I sometimes use it to mix down those too). By sticking to standard setups - reading manuals before I start shouting - not shouting but asking nicely
- I have had very few issues and solved the ones I have (or have found workarounds).
There is a great community and I am sure you will get lots more advice.
Cheers
mark
First of all some info about the boards:
very very versatile
great sounding
not as stable as they might always be - certainly don't do a commercial project without being VERY comfortable about it first (ie. trying out all the things you are going to do and knowing they will all behave as you expect)
Some systems are more compatible with the Creamware boards than others - fortunately you are in the right place to find out which.
There are a lot of different Creamware customers and they seem to attract more than their fair share of people who are rude and angry about what they see as short commings in - creamwares product, marketing and general effect on their life. Make of this what you will. People do seem to think that Creamware owe them something rather than being a commercial company trying to make a buck like everyone else.
As for me - I love the creamware board - since I bought it is has become the heart of my studio setup and is used on all but the most experimental of my recordings (and I sometimes use it to mix down those too). By sticking to standard setups - reading manuals before I start shouting - not shouting but asking nicely
- I have had very few issues and solved the ones I have (or have found workarounds). There is a great community and I am sure you will get lots more advice.
Cheers
mark
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junklight - dark experimental electronics
http://www.junklight.com
junklight - dark experimental electronics
http://www.junklight.com
Hi,
Thanks for the advice. I hear what you are saying about the world owing some people a living. However, I am curious about one of your comments " not as stable as they might always be - certainly don't do a commercial project without being VERY comfortable about it first"
Basically my application is only commercial work. Are you saying that I ought to stick to something different, more reliable, if I expect to make a living out of the work I do using these cards.
Regards,
Andrew.
Thanks for the advice. I hear what you are saying about the world owing some people a living. However, I am curious about one of your comments " not as stable as they might always be - certainly don't do a commercial project without being VERY comfortable about it first"
Basically my application is only commercial work. Are you saying that I ought to stick to something different, more reliable, if I expect to make a living out of the work I do using these cards.
Regards,
Andrew.
There are plenty of people here who are doing commercial work with the boards - there are also some well known people who use them - I belive that Hans Zimmer and Jean Michel Jarre use them to name but two....
There are lots of people here though who claim to be doing commercial projects but appear to have just upgraded their systems to SFP prior to doing the project and not tested or tried out the system.
My system is very stable and I have no problems at all - but I think you do need to put the work in and make sure you have got a compatible system - if you are going to use a standard system with one of the computer setups that seem to work then I don't believe you will have any serious problems at all.
I think the general consensus is that the Creamware stuff is not as stable as things like ProTools but it does a lot for the money and it does a lot of things you won't get elsewhere.
cheers
mark
There are lots of people here though who claim to be doing commercial projects but appear to have just upgraded their systems to SFP prior to doing the project and not tested or tried out the system.
My system is very stable and I have no problems at all - but I think you do need to put the work in and make sure you have got a compatible system - if you are going to use a standard system with one of the computer setups that seem to work then I don't believe you will have any serious problems at all.
I think the general consensus is that the Creamware stuff is not as stable as things like ProTools but it does a lot for the money and it does a lot of things you won't get elsewhere.
cheers
mark
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junklight - dark experimental electronics
http://www.junklight.com
junklight - dark experimental electronics
http://www.junklight.com
I'm sure there are other people who share this person's opinions but judging by the vast number of people who have had nothing but success with their CW solution, I'd say he is a minority.
Working in the multimedia industry I see a myriad of DAW configurations. Every single person I have come across who is unhappy with their system has been ignorant of one or more of the following key points:
1. NO DAW IS PERFECT. If you're expecting a totally bug-free studio-in-a-box solution that caters for every conceivable production scenario you are living in a dream! A properly configured CW system has no more bugs than any of its competitors and when you consider the cost/features ratio it wins hands down.
2. READ THE BLOODY SPECS! If the manufacturer recommends a PIII system with Intel chipset running Windows XP, DON'T plonk the card in a dual P4 system with VIA chipset running Windows ME and expect it to run like a dream. It might work, then again it could crash every 3 minutes. The specs are there for a reason. Can't believe the number of people who ignore this fact.
3. DON'T think you can run any high-end DAW reliably when your hard drive is full of games, graphics apps, Internet gadgets and God knows what else. Keep your system as clean as possible and you'll avoid a lot of pain.
4. DEMO AND COMPARE before you buy. It's common sense. While I personally love my Pulsar to the point where I want to perform unnatural acts upon it, you may be turned on by something entirely different. Also take into account your preferred sequencing software and make sure the system you're looking at works well in conjunction with it. I detest most sequencers so this didn't matter much to me, but using the Pulsar has made me more tolerant of Cubase!
There's probably a lot more but I'll leave further waffling for my fellow Pulsarians
Hope this helps.
Retro
Working in the multimedia industry I see a myriad of DAW configurations. Every single person I have come across who is unhappy with their system has been ignorant of one or more of the following key points:
1. NO DAW IS PERFECT. If you're expecting a totally bug-free studio-in-a-box solution that caters for every conceivable production scenario you are living in a dream! A properly configured CW system has no more bugs than any of its competitors and when you consider the cost/features ratio it wins hands down.
2. READ THE BLOODY SPECS! If the manufacturer recommends a PIII system with Intel chipset running Windows XP, DON'T plonk the card in a dual P4 system with VIA chipset running Windows ME and expect it to run like a dream. It might work, then again it could crash every 3 minutes. The specs are there for a reason. Can't believe the number of people who ignore this fact.
3. DON'T think you can run any high-end DAW reliably when your hard drive is full of games, graphics apps, Internet gadgets and God knows what else. Keep your system as clean as possible and you'll avoid a lot of pain.
4. DEMO AND COMPARE before you buy. It's common sense. While I personally love my Pulsar to the point where I want to perform unnatural acts upon it, you may be turned on by something entirely different. Also take into account your preferred sequencing software and make sure the system you're looking at works well in conjunction with it. I detest most sequencers so this didn't matter much to me, but using the Pulsar has made me more tolerant of Cubase!
There's probably a lot more but I'll leave further waffling for my fellow Pulsarians
Hope this helps.
Retro
Good advice from Retro above. There are good/bad stories on any DAW including Pro-tools (having used Pro-tools in the past myself). For me, during recording sessions with bands, the pulsar has worked flawlessly on a dedicated Intel based system. I have run into problems as well but not during critical functions and I certainly don't have anywhere near the amount of problems some people experience.
The pulsar system is very complex. IMO you need to have an above average grasp on computers (how to setup etc). In the early days a sound engineer was exactly that - an engineer. Times are changing now with affordable recording systems being available to Joe Average. Unfortunately Joe Average is unable to dedicate the time to study about computer systems and sound engineering to help with any problems that may arise.
I don't think the Pular cards are for everybody due to there inherent complexity (the price for the amazing flexability offered0. But I also don't think Creamware are going to put that on their advertisements!
Cheers!
There are good/bad stories on any DAW including Pro-tools (having used Pro-tools in the past myself). For me, during recording sessions with bands, the pulsar has worked flawlessly on a dedicated Intel based system. I have run into problems as well but not during critical functions and I certainly don't have anywhere near the amount of problems some people experience.The pulsar system is very complex. IMO you need to have an above average grasp on computers (how to setup etc). In the early days a sound engineer was exactly that - an engineer. Times are changing now with affordable recording systems being available to Joe Average. Unfortunately Joe Average is unable to dedicate the time to study about computer systems and sound engineering to help with any problems that may arise.
I don't think the Pular cards are for everybody due to there inherent complexity (the price for the amazing flexability offered0. But I also don't think Creamware are going to put that on their advertisements!
Cheers!
I agree with the above posts completely.
I am running CW on a Mac with Pro Tools in the same machine.
I have it working well...but the CW environment is deep.
One has to be willing to put in the time to grok the nuances of how the system works. A great deal of the people that have lots of problems try to run the system on a computer that is not specified in the compatibility docs.
But one thing for certain...there is nothing else out there that even comes close to this level of flexibility.
I really dig my system, and I think it offers a tremendous bang for the buck.....
I don't think I will ever go back to working the way I did prior to CW
Cheers
I am running CW on a Mac with Pro Tools in the same machine.
I have it working well...but the CW environment is deep.
One has to be willing to put in the time to grok the nuances of how the system works. A great deal of the people that have lots of problems try to run the system on a computer that is not specified in the compatibility docs.
But one thing for certain...there is nothing else out there that even comes close to this level of flexibility.
I really dig my system, and I think it offers a tremendous bang for the buck.....
I don't think I will ever go back to working the way I did prior to CW
Cheers
i'm known for stating that "my system works and i make money with it." hey, it's a computer,a non perfectable device,what do you expect but that it would be improvable? still,cw has given me great value for my money.(it's unbelievable what they charge for protools!)my system can do more than a protools box,and easier.and the cw cards sound good.to run a pro setup,you must be an engineer,but to run a decent studio and make good recordings,you must be/become an engineer.
of course, no way of working is for everyone,and 2" tape still sounds best.
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of course, no way of working is for everyone,and 2" tape still sounds best.
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