The monster of atomic war is upon us, again...

[Nestor]

Really scary stuff, I hope nothing of it will ever happen, this thing is worst than war itself. Yet another of their inventions:

http://news.yahoo.com/scientists-debate ... 3QD;_ylv=3

[dawman]

Published books are a great source of factual information because they want to make money, and held liable for plagiarism or lies.
Surely the Internet and all knowing Wiki can supplement this new age of information, but more often than not the sources are not reliable.
THe chap I that played with at a couple of Booths at NAMM has a Wiki page that shows him as playing on 2 albums that he wasn't on as he was signed with Capital at that time doing their LP's.
So you go to their Wiki page and see he also has played with them long after the band was dismantled and he was a Paramedic, which is a scarry thought and not even mentioned, waking up and seeing his face and hair would surely cause a traumatic experience.
RIght now he is on tour with them but really isn't because he played at Soniccore booth and Carvin.
But otherwise the Internet is a fine source of information...

Monsanto still needs to settle up with Veterans form SE Asia who have suffered from Agent Orange, but they are waiting them out in hopes they all die.
Same way the Federal Governement did with my Father ( R.I.P ) who was notch baby, which means because he was born in 1922 and passed last April, that his entire life he paid a higher rate of Scoial Security Tax, and in 1978 they promised that notch babies ( as they were called ) would recieve higher monthly checks or a 7,000 lump sum.
Which he lost as Congress finally got around to seeing that the spouses would recieve tha money, and they are all in their late '80's and still waitng.
NWO is definately alive and well at ClubFed, but when your own Government fucks you over so badly, and Corporations operate outside the Law, NWO seems like a better alternative.
When Bush Sr. Declared the era of NWO after uniting all of the countries in Iraq, his son pretty much discreditted that version of NWO, but I trust Europe and the USA will offer new empty prmoises and new lies to their citizens to keep them in the land of make believe. Greece is a sign of failed programs, and just watch at them scramble to contain those empty promises of utopia. I call this the RWO, real world of order where lies are meant to keep flocks loyal, but those darn Greek Sheep need new Shepards and new promises. Sorry Hubird, I couldn't resist.

Peace During War................

[next to nothing]

If you ask me, the whole Monsanto should be brought out of business, their funds collected and divided between everyone that has been in contact with their poison, the people in charge be jailed.

And regarding the bird flu article, it is a sensitive matter. One side will claim it should be kept secret because of possibilities of it being spread to the wrong hands but will need further research to make a proper vaccine, One side says it should be published so that more people can work on a vaccine, some say the research should be stopped regardless because of possible consequences of it "escaping" the research facilities. It will be interesting to see how this is being handled.

[dawman]

Monsanto is responsible for feeding the poor starving peoples of the world with their experimental GM crops.
I was glad to see the Sheep of Africa refuse their ship of food during a period of starvation 5 years ago.
maybe they believe the NWO anti over population theory used in Europe in the early 1800's.
They have even contaminated native Maze from the descendants of the Aztecs in Central Mexico somehow, as farmers are showing plants that been turned into bybrid and GM crops from some outside source.....
Hopefully the 550 million elites that wish to rule over the new planet need a Keyboard player who plays Debussey Chopin and Hancock/Corea.....I want to be an elite and start my own utopian ranch.
I want an over population of babes, not a bunch of dudes.
I can be the New Bringham Young.....

FWIW, that was never his real name. The Mormons named him and a University using that name as everytime he was feeling in the mood for a good lay, he would send his Sheep out to collect new specimens, and when they asked if he had any preferrences of hair color or race, he simply replied..............Bring' Em Young................Hence the name.


Ankyu................Please stay seated.

[Nestor]

If you ask me, the whole Monsanto should be brought out of business, their funds collected and divided between everyone that has been in contact with their poison, the people in charge be jailed.

I'm with you there, that would be justice.

[garyb]

during the Vietnam war, the UN was still playing good cop/bad cop with the USA and the USSR(or China). make no mistake, that war was multilateral and if not officially sanctioned, it was most certainly allowed. politics means never having to admit your true allegiances.

hey! the world government is for your benefit! they only care about you and that's why they make rules like these mentioned in wiki, another unreliable source of info(although i challenge ANYONE to prove a reliable source of info):
Article 42
“Should the Security Council consider that measures provided for in Article 41 would be inadequate or have proved to be inadequate, it may take such action by air, sea, or land forces as may be necessary to maintain or restore international peace and security. Such action may include demonstrations, blockade, and other operations by air, sea, or land forces of Members of the United Nations.”

This article cemented the legality of the Korean War, which was approved by the UN Security Council.

Article 51
Article 51 provides for the right of countries to engage in self-defence, including collective self-defence, against an armed attack.
“Nothing in the present Charter shall impair the inherent right of individual or collective self-defence if an armed attack occurs against a Member of the United Nations, until the Security Council has taken measures necessary to maintain international peace and security. Measures taken by Members in the exercise of this right of self-defence shall be immediately reported to the Security Council and shall not in any way affect the authority and responsibility of the Security Council under the present Charter to take at any time such action as it deems necessary in order to maintain or restore international peace and security.”

This article has been cited by the United States as support for the legality of the Vietnam War. According to that argument, "although South Vietnam is not an independent sovereign State or a member of the United Nations, it nevertheless enjoys the right of self-defense, and the United States is entitled to participate in its collective defense". Article 51 has been described as difficult to adjudicate with any certainty in real-life situations.

well, that's politics and doublespeak. wars are illegal, unless we decide that we need them.

yes, that's the UN. promising you "human rights" "unless those rights conflict with the purposes and principles of the UN".

right now, the UN is doing a great job keeping their army(the US army was made available to the UN during Kosovo) from saber rattling at Iran. in Kosovo, NATO was "only" enforcing UN resolutions.

so, if i hire a bully to beat your ass to teach you a lesson, but i can't be directly connected to the contract for the bully, even though i suddenly start doing favors for the bully and i'm pleased with the results, then i didn't hire the bully.

don't believe me though, here's NATO's opinion on the relationship between themselves and the UN, two opposing forces, so we have been told:
http://www.nato.int/cps/en/natolive/topics_50321.htm

[next to nothing]

So yes, the Korean war was approved by UN, and no, the Vietnam and Kosovo war wasn't? I must be dumb thinking thats not the same as "even though every major conflict since WW2 has been a UN action".

And i guess, just as "during the Vietnam war, the UN was still playing good cop/bad cop with the USA and the USSR(or China)" that is was the reason the Korea war was approved as well (according to the wiki page i think you refer to, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Use_of_force_by_states ).

[hubird]

Garyb's post above is exemplaric.

The very negative and dangerously antidemocratic view of some here makes Planetz a not so pleasant place anymore, especially by the intolerant way the ideas are promoted and enforced.
Those who don't like to discuss on the edge leave the place, others don't participate anymore besides technical stuff.

We know already the consequences of playing the antidemocracy card from history.
It's weird that educated people without fascistic intentions don't see that that direction is a dangerous one.
And at least it's quite annoying to be confronted with it so harsch on this forum.

--------

[I'm glad and proud the world makes it harder and not without personnel risk for stupid psychopats and their antidemocratic followers to start murdering and terrorise f.i. because of things that happened 1000 years ago, like in Kosovo.
If you see history in a somewhat larger scale, than you see a century of further economic and militairy globalisation accompanied by some international and supra-gouvernmental consultative federations of different kind.
We're just at the start of it, so what would you expect, but the direction is hopefull, despite the nihilistic views like in the former post.
Every tyran today knows the world looks over his shoulder and he once could be arrested, for the first time in history.
Progress goes slowly, but the direction can't be returned].

[Fluxpod]

I hope this War starts soon and saves me from reading more hogwash.Really, more Megatonns for me please.

[garyb]

So yes, the Korean war was approved by UN, and no, the Vietnam and Kosovo war wasn't? I must be dumb thinking thats not the same as "even though every major conflict since WW2 has been a UN action".

And i guess, just as "during the Vietnam war, the UN was still playing good cop/bad cop with the USA and the USSR(or China)" that is was the reason the Korea war was approved as well (according to the wiki page i think you refer to, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Use_of_force_by_states ).

no, that's not the page. THIS is the page:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chapter_VI ... ns_Charter

considering how you are the one who knows how to tell that information is suspect, i'm surprised that you can assert your opinions so strongly. how do you have a pipeline that bypasses false flags, political intrigue and history written by the victors?

actually, if you want to search them out, cia papers on vietnam have ben declassified. vietnam was never officially sanctioned, but it was UN members who participated with a tacit UN approval. the UN never did anything substantial to oppose the war in any way(oh, and i was actually alive during that war). Kosovo was most cetainly approved of by the UN. NATO went in as a UN helper based on UN declarations. check NATO's own description. if you think the UN has opposed war in any way, you have been reading rhetoric and not watching the actual events.

there is nothing "democratic" about the UN.

oh, and the soviets and the americans never worked together while they were rivals. this clip from "Network" was meaningless as well:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XjFXNAypdBA
"we no longer live in a world of nations and idiologies mr beale"....network 1976

but back on subject, what is the UN doing to avoid "aggression" in this particular case in Iran? that's right, nothing. if anything, the UN's actions are making war more likely and more "legal" to boot.

[garyb]

I hope this War starts soon and saves me from reading more hogwash.Really, more Megatonns for me please.

you don't have to read hogwash. if you were producing music or other valuable works, you wouldn't have time for hogwash...

[Fluxpod]

I hope this War starts soon and saves me from reading more hogwash.Really, more Megatonns for me please.

you don't have to read hogwash. if you were producing music or other valuable works, you wouldn't have time for hogwash...

Well, i have only 3 posts in this thread And i am a fast reader.

But carry on.
One more point tho gary. I have thought about that for a while and i must say that i find it a bit Inapropriate for a sc company rep to post in Political threads on this forum.No big deal but maybe a thing to consider.

[garyb]

Every tyran today knows the world looks over his shoulder and he once could be arrested, for the first time in history.

unless he's a tyrant who works in concert with the UN. how are the people in the UN any different that the people who used to be in charge of various nations?

what about the UN is "democratic"? since when did anyone vote on UN policies, principles or participants? the UN is as autocratic and self-serving organization as has ever been produced by human or non-human endeavor.

[garyb]

I hope this War starts soon and saves me from reading more hogwash.Really, more Megatonns for me please.

you don't have to read hogwash. if you were producing music or other valuable works, you wouldn't have time for hogwash...

Well, i have only 3 posts in this thread And i am a fast reader.

But carry on.
One more point tho gary. I have thought about that for a while and i must say that i find it a bit Inapropriate for a sc company rep to post in Political threads on this forum.No big deal but maybe a thing to consider.

oh, my private veiws represent the company now?
wow, i'm really being censored for being unpopular.
well, really, i'm not a bad guy, just confused. i guess i better shut up before someone thinks that they can't own an XITE because that asshole works for the company. i guess i'm not entitled to an OPINION, because everyone here is so "democratic". ok, in a day or so, i'll start eliminating all my comments. you have been warned. the fun of agreeing or disagreeing with me is about to be over.

truthfully, i thought that people flamed this thread because they were enjoying themselves, and there was the possibility that everyone could see the world a little better regardless of their point of view. i see that i'm wrong again.

[Fluxpod]

oh, my private veiws represent the company now?
wow, i'm really being censored for being unpopular.
well, really, i'm not a bad guy, just confused. i guess i better shut up before someone thinks that they can't own an XITE because that asshole works for the company. i guess i'm not entitled to an OPINION, because everyone here is so "democratic". ok, in a day or so, i'll start eliminating all my comments. you have been warned. the fun of agreeing or disagreeing with me is about to be over.[/quote]


Ne need to be overly dramatic.Just a thing to consider.I know 0 other company reps who do that.I dont really care but i thought it was worth mentioning.

[garyb]

gee, i didn't think it was that serious.

i thought that after all these years, most of the people posting here could be said to be friends(yes, even the ones that don't like me. we keep interacting after all) and that we're just trashing ideas around as friends do. i see that there are people here who are seriously undemocratic who just want other points of view to be quiet. i see that these poeple are such ideologs that they will never be friendly with someone who would help them for free, from the kindness of his heart, if his point of view is in any way controversial. that must be why dsps will never be useful unless they are made by UAD.

i have NEVER posted in a political forum as a representitive of S|C, but i see that it may be seen that way. i'll take down my posts, eventually.

[dbmac]

Stick around Gary. I appreciate your posts.

[hubird]

(to the Fluxpod remark)
wel, that's funny.
i deleted the same thought from my last post, namely that the one who is de facto kinda 'front office' for the company which is the reason we're here should be careful to vent rather strong political views.
I deleted it as it might look I use that to chain his mouth.

I said the same for Nestor being an admin of this board, and I keep saying this, as per definition an admin should stay out of the heat otherwise some members get the feeling they're not so welcom.
Concerning Garyb, If I was S/C I wouldn't like it to see an important representative showing off his 'strong' political views so strongly.

damn, wish I could write better English and specially also faster

[garyb]

well, you know, i started to delete stuff and i realized, i wasn't saying anything that terrible, i never claimed to know what is happening and i posted links to fun clips from movies and south park and...

f$%& it.
it's just not that big of a deal.
ok, my criticism of the UN might be off putting, but for anybody wanting a real conversation, it's not that horrible either.

now, i've eliminated some of the most reasonable stuff that was actually friendly back and forth in the beginning and for what?

all this post contains is people talking with Nestor about his fears that a hot war with Iran may erupt soon. it's a valid concern whether one thinks that it will happen or not. we're just passing ideas back and forth in an internet message board of minor importance in "spare time". this is not life and death, people. (unless someone starts lobbing live grenades and bombs)

[Fluxpod]

I wrote that because i recieved some more or less drastic opinions from people on other boards and from people who check this forum(because i told em to) I have absolutly NOTHING against gary in the slightest.I just thought i mention that.I may should have done so via pm.Anyway no need to delete anything it was just a hint.Not more not less.Posting about passionated stuff is fun and ok till it intercollides with a buisness then it stops being a "just my opinion" thingy.And that is just my view of that.Now back to Nuclear wars and how much they would rule.