The monster of atomic war is upon us, again...

[Nestor]

Another example was how we were suppose to believe Jack Ruby was allowed by the Texas Sheriff to kill Lee Harvey Oswald, and later the evidence prooves they were really all in a band together. Same with the shadows of the pic of the singer on the cover of Life Magazine...

LeeHarveyandtheOswalds.jpg

that was a good one too Poor guy anyway...

[valis]

this is an OFF TOPIC forum and even a moderator can speak his mind, until the forum is closed to such talk.

I agree with this. Nestor isn't being inflammatory in attitude or angry, badmouthing etc. The 'behavior' he's exhibiting is just interest in something that may not interest others, in a forum that's decidedly for OT stuff. Ignore the thread if it's not your cup of tea.

And Nestor, some people feel that invalidating the messenger invalidates the message. While I'm not sure 'war' is a foregone conclusion in any specific instance, it's certainly an everpresent part of human affairs. What I would be watching if I was interested this particular affair I'd watch Syria and keep an eye on who is gaining power in the 'springtime' elsewhere. You don't storm the castle in chess while there are still players on the board unless you have a very very sure strategy imo.

[next to nothing]

Also one would be very careful invading countries with such capacities:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SmT8wuM9Jec

Well, at least if your troops isn't properly trained in Ameri-Do-Te:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3CGMWlXo ... xyVTXF1tvH

[Nestor]

I'd watch Syria and keep an eye on who is gaining power in the 'springtime' elsewhere. You don't storm the castle in chess while there are still players on the board unless you have a very very sure strategy imo.

Hi Valis

Thank you for your answer.

It makes a lot of sense what you say about the present situation.

15.000 Iranian soldiers, from the special forces that fought in Iraq, are positioned right now in Syria, it is a very complex situation. There are many troops from everywhere preparing to get to Syria, some to attack and others to defend it. It is difficult to see the picture. What I am wondering now, is not at all if this war is going to start, but when and where, because the fist hit could be Syria instate of Iran, and if Syria is under heavy fire, you bet this will trigger immediate response from several countries involved, all at the same time.

You say alto this truth:

While I'm not sure 'war' is a foregone conclusion in any specific instance, it's certainly an everpresent part of human affairs.

How could I deny such a reality, we have always had wars. When looking at the thousands of huge wars that China has had along its history, you can see that your point is factual to the bone. The problem I see now is that we are facing a world with a tremendous destructive potential, our technology is simply amazing, for destruction, but amazing! I have been talking with an expert in military arsenals while visiting this tremendous carrier you can see in the picture:

http://topgunaustralia.com/Images/PDA.jpg

he explained me that with only one of its plains (I don’t know their specification and name) could bring down a typical mid size European city in about 30 minutes! And those planes are old in potential compared to the latest ones.

Until now, we have been constructing all kind of weapons that have never been used fully, many astonishing plains among them. All the wars we have had after IIWW have been very small compared to the destructive potential we hold today. If animosity goes up and countries decide to “really use” their potential without restriction, we could even disappear from the planet, together with animals and green. So, despite the fact that it is true that we have always had wars, this particular kind of war, we have never had yet, and there is no way to compare it with the last big one, the IIWW. It’s sort of the first soundblaster (MIDI only capable) compared with the latest scope platform and the latest super-computers. There are many countries holding hundreds of nukes, and then chemical and bacteriological weapons exist by tones with the power of killing you with just less than a milligram.

These are some of the plains Iran has:

http://cdn-www.airliners.net/aviation-p ... 515305.jpg
http://www.uskowioniran.com/2008/06/sae ... -pt-3.html
http://t3.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9 ... GshnCztCju

Here a list of the weapons this page says they have:

http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/ ... eapons.htm

[Nestor]

Also one would be very careful invading countries with such capacities:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SmT8wuM9Jec

Well, at least if your troops isn't properly trained in Ameri-Do-Te:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3CGMWlXo ... xyVTXF1tvH

Cute and funny. Master Ken is relly cool, didn't know them Kind of bittersweet contrasted with what we are talking about

[Nestor]

Important last minute news:

A large number of U.S. warplanes and transports are en route to the Persian Gulf and maybe headed for bases in Saudi Arabia where an attack on Iran will be staged.

[garyb]

maybe they will.

they've staged these types of operations before and then nothing happened. we'll have to wait and see.

[dawman]

For those who forgot the New World Order proclaimed by Bush Sr. after victory in the 1st Gulf War, it said something to the effect that the new world order opened a new chapter of cooperation which in my eyes meant Saudi, Omani, Qatri and World Dubai were investing hundreds of Billions into the USA, which in turn gave the wealthy Oil States at seat at the Federal Reserve, my translation.
But personally while building and finishing City Center here in Las Vegas, they sent choppers to circle the property and scan for safety reasons before a long Caravan travelling in excess of 40mph burst through the gates and made it to my Manlift on the Aria Tower.....OSHA Laws hardly apply to the workers so I imagaine the Secret Service that we provide as protection sure won't go 5mph as the signs say....
Mafia looking figures straighterning out thier ties took a ride on the manlift, walked the tower deck 45, got back in and left the site, just as fast and with Heloicopter escort back to safety at Nellis Airbase.
My supervisor then exclaimed who ran the Concrete Crew I worked on that we just recieved 5 Billion....
These guys weren't dressed up in towels and robes, and their security was a site I'd never seen before.
I was actually close enough to shake Carters hand when he visited the Bevo Mill ( dutchtown in old South St,Louis ) and I didn't see anything that resembeled this Blackwater Security Brigade....Actually made me want to sign up, looked like a great gig. Breaking any laws regular folks had to obey, free hookers too I assume. Hell I was still paying but getting the musician discount from the Russians back then. Every Russian criminal we deport goes to Israel, at least the ones from Vegas.

So this is another phase of troop deployments that the people will never get to vote on, we will be lied to, those involved will be lied to and told they are achieving a great oppurtunity to fight for Kings and Queens of DC in a new era of Arab intervention......
They take advantage of the American bravery amongst our young and still it's the people that provide the most support when they come back all fucked up after battling thousands of miles away. God we are suckers for the Arabs still. Where are their sons and daughters. Probably basking at the pool at the University of Miami, Harvard, Yale and MIT.

Sure looks like Revelations is batting 1000 though, even the weather patterns prior to the battle at Meggido...
FWIW we have Ospreys flying over the strip on News Years Eve as a part of the celebration and people go nuts seeing such a large plane hovering...Yepp I think it's time for another economic boom as the wealthy Arabs have trillions that the elites in DC are licking thier lips over.

My interpretationof the King James version of Johns book, last translated nearly 1000 years ago says the THe KIngs Of THe North will fight the Kings of the West and thier 12 Horns, after each side beating the crap out of each other a huge 200,000,000 man army form the Kings Of The East marches into the region and takes over,,,, Scarry shit indeed, but how hard would it be to make an anti ship missle be lauched and appear as it came from a Soviet Naval Base in the Med....?
There's the smart non interventionalists lurking and waiting for thr the right time. All written in Revelations.
I am ready for the Springtime retreat in the SOuth Sierras where hunting and fishing, and 55 gallon drum full of Cumcubers awaits...German Brown spawing grounds Pheasant and CHucker birds, Elk migration trails.....amd a Solar generator hitched to the truck as Solaris and Scopoe will be needed along with communications.
I shall guide the thousands travelling West from CA a brief meal and help them in their quest for their absentee landlords as they stumble eastword follwing the Walker East Fork. Poor guys probably don;t even have a gun or know how to field dress a Deer.

GaryB and Greg are welcome to enjoy the retreat if you make it up 395 or overland from 50 through the Mountains....

No sense trying to outrun the poinsous air, you'll just die tired. But we can go out with a full belly after jamming with the XITE-1's...
60 miles spouth is El Capitan, I figured I'd drive to the top, drop some Acid and hang glide to my death...

White Trash Trailer w netting and skirts.JPG

Pecace Out.

[dawman]

The only problem I see is the Pauite Indian travelling through Wilson Canyon coming west throught the pass from Walker resevior and Indian Reservation wondering where all of the fish are going as I be reeling in dozens a day.
Migrations from the Norht start in late Februrary and then go back North in Late summer. But the Pheasant, Qual and CHucker are tasty, along with the basketball size Cones full of Pine Nuts that fall, providing further traps for Bushtailed Squirrels. Them There some fat bastards too. No predators other than rattle snakes and they make too much noise when they hunt at night.
Who knows we might esscape the Edwards and Nellis air bas Nuke clouds, but it only take 14 MIRV's to contaminate the world, so depednd how drunk Putin is, or how paranoid the Joint Chiefs make Obama.
FWIW we can net 40lbs per day of Shrimp Brine at Mono Lake too.
I've hunted here since 1985, and know every Deer trail.
The only guys better than me are the Mountain Trained Marines staioned at Sonora in the 12k foot Marine Base. Be nice if they sided with us, those boys can hit a target at 2000 feet with the Barret 50 cals.

Dont worry it will be a good death either way......

[Nestor]

Hope things are better than you say Jimmy.

I think the conflict is going to hit hard in no more than a year from now. There are already several statements coming from military leader from Israel, USA, China, England, Russia and Iran, agreeing that the conflict is no longer a matter of “if”, but rather a matter of “when”.

Some said that they would strike Iran this month, others between April, May and June, and some support the idea of a strike by the end of the year or beginning of 2013.

I think it could be by the end of the year.

[Nestor]

Definetely, the first step has been taken:

Obama has already Signed Executive Order Declaring War On Iran

[garyb]

the first lie.

Obama can NOT sign an executive order declaring war. only congress can declare war.

he is only "commander in chief" AFTER congress declares war.

he CAN commit US troops to a "police" action in support of the UN, as agreed to by treaty, which is almost certainly what this is, a WORLD action, just like in Iraq. the UN seems to like doing business that way and for some reason the US government likes it too. the US plays "bad cop" for the powers that be.

what he has done is circumvent the US constitution in freezing Iranian assets in the US. this may or may not lead to military action.

[Nestor]

Is such a complicated rhetorical world! Here is what happend exactly:

Obama Signs Executive Order On Iran

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=pl ... 23uQr7TIMo

[next to nothing]

Definetely, the first step has been taken:

Obama has already Signed Executive Order Declaring War On Iran

If the website you got that headline from (i guess infowars) was right, there would be no war because aliens invaded us years ago.

There is a lot of shit on that side, with the only objective of making Alex Jones wealthier.

[hubird]

I think it could be by the end of the year.

ah, and you occasionally calculated the happening on about 21 december 2012 somewhere in the morning?

[Nestor]

I follow you, but I don’t fully agree with that. Infowars is one of the many independent information sites out there, and is far from being false news as a whole. What I can say is that I don’t nurture myself from only apples, I get oranges, blackberries, kiwis, watermelons, etc., so to say (in terms of information), and then I have my own guess which I try to contrast with what I can see by myself in the streets, beyond the news, and particularly, with friends that live in different places of the world, for instance, in Greece.

US politics is so overcomplicated, entangled and restless, that I am sure I could not fully understand it (perhaps no one can except the creators) even if I would kill myself day and night trying to find out which is the real plot behind it, it is useless, as most things you can find out, are the things THEY want you to find out and know. I think that I will never understand its rules and lies, it’s a world too tricky to get to know, but you don’t necessarily need to know its details to get the picture behind it. If you follow the movements of the hand of the magician, he will certainly make you believe in its tricks, but if you look around in its scenario, you will probably see the rabbit been put into his hat! Well, the picture here, the rabbit if you like, is that USA is supporting a war against Iran, among others countries, with Israel, and this is the important thing to know and understand. The world is dividing itself into two enormous forces for a long term war. This war will probably change the world as we know it, if these idiots continue with their plans. What is going on in Syria, for instance, it is a complete nonsense, and it is so brainless that it is difficult to believe.

I know already the answer, many will say: “but this is part of mankind, war is natural, it has happened many times and it will continue to happen”. Sorry, but I don’t accept eating serpent venom because some have done it for centuries! Things made centuries and thousands of years ago, can also be wrong, and the fact that they repeat themselves, it doesn’t make them good.

[Nestor]

I think it could be by the end of the year.

ah, and you occasionally calculated the happening on about 21 december 2012 somewhere in the morning?

You should inform yourself better before trying to be sarcastic Hubird, so it works... The date you’re talking about corresponds to world catastrophes according to the Mayas, and not to WWIII, which is something that is taking shape right now in front of our eyes without the need of any Maya prophecy.

Anyway, your question is well blended with bad-will-cheese again, but I don’t consume that kind of food. I like natural pizza and also like choosing my own ingredients by myself, so to say, I’m my own chef.

I find the way of expressing yourself somehow unpleasant. It is even sad that you constantly are translating people’s minds and reasons to yours. As long as you keep being sarcastic and unapproachable, I will be not interested in having any communication with you. What you are offering has already a closed door at my home. I already told you that I will not play your game. The interesting thing about this is that if you where to meet me in person, you would be very ashamed of yourself I think, because you would not find any violence from my side, and looking at my eyes you would feel totally confused because you will find no resistance, you would not recognize me, I’m sure, because the “I” you think I am, is only within yourself, and it is a “you”. You are writing this way only because you are behind a screen, but you should not forget yourself and neither forget other, as we are people, not machines behind your screen.

I invite you to an intelligent talk. Contribute to the thread if you finally decided to participate despite the fact that you hate it, but with some useful news, ideas, etc. If you disagree about anything, it’s great, do it! But don’t insult and discredit others with violence. This little childish game is too old already, don’t you think? If you play this way, you will end up playing alone like a couple of others did in this forum before you... Do you really want this? This is definitely, my last call and last chance for you to communicate instate of attacking without reason. Now, remember that is YOU the one who is writing to ME in this thread, not me writing to you, so don’t tell me you don’t care about what I say… It seems to me that you watch more “my news” that the “news you defend”, from which you have never expressed not even one line.

You should think deeper. For instance, nobody has said here that this “complot” you sow in your mind between Americans versus Europeans is real, on the contrary. People demonstrated you that you were wrong. That alone should be enough for you to give yourself the chance of being wrong, we all are now and then, and there is no perfect human being in existence.

[dawman]

Hey Nestor a good hint.
Don't listen to the academics and elites. It's nice to read their theories, especially the Obama proffessors who failed, but still rewarded with a job in make believe land at some University where they can teach other generations how to fail in the real world.
The run of the mill working man, be it a brotha', a Mexican, a white guy, an Asian, whatever, just a regular working Joe knows more common sense than most of our " over educated " geniuses.
We never let School get in the way of our education...........

[Nestor]

Hey Nestor a good hint.
Don't listen to the academics and elites. It's nice to read their theories, especially the Obama proffessors who failed, but still rewarded with a job in make believe land at some University where they can teach other generations how to fail in the real world.
The run of the mill working man, be it a brotha', a Mexican, a white guy, an Asian, whatever, just a regular working Joe knows more common sense than most of our " over educated " geniuses.
We never let School get in the way of our education...........

Oh man! You're statment mekes me so happy! I coudn't agree more with that! Just like it happens with the so called “red necks”, which are so knowledgeable people sometimes about nature, and more importantly, about people’s nature, that’s more like real life, it sure is!

I have a friend who has a brother which is identical to him, you know, twins, and he told me that the only man in his entire life that noticed who was one and the other at first glance, was a countryman. There you have! Who developed this kind of awareness and sense of observation in the city? No one! Back to basics, back to basics...

[valis]

Fwiw my impression of this 'executive order' was just an attempt to define trade sanctions in a way that they could be referred to by other policies, no? Ie, much ado about nothing in terms of war, but it will shift the flow of commodities from our trading partners versus those that aren't and it can have other consequences as well: http://dailypaulradio.com/radio/2012/01 ... -for-gold/