Help needed: History of delays

the19thbear · Post by **the19thbear** » Mon May 16, 2011 4:37 am

sooo... i'm writing a bachelor paper on delays.
i need some infor about who used the different delays. I'm thinking famouse people here:)

I'm writing about these delays:
-"tapedeck" delays - normal tapedecks.. first used by the "musique conrete" people.(later elvis etc)
-real selfcontained echomachines: the binson echorecFor instance used by the guitarist from pink floyd David Guilmore.
-the roland space echo: famously used by.... who???? (pretty much everyone.. but who in particular?)
-The first massively available BBD: the memory man, used by.... famously used by who???
-digital delays, famously used by..... hmmm maybe the U2 guitarist?!? he had a very distinct way of using delays. (th TC2290 i believe)

thanks people! feel free to help and comment/share stories from the good old days: Jimmy/Xite4live feel free to chime in:)

And what do you think the future of delays will be? lots of iphone delay apps?:)

dawman · Post by **dawman** » Mon May 16, 2011 6:49 am

Roland Space Echo was really used well by Bostons' guitarist ( Rocktron creator ).
Lexicon Prime Times were used by engineers very much too.
I still have my original brochure in mint condition for the Model 93 from the 70's.
I had to work 2 jobs and save like crazy to buy it.

ChrisWerner · Post by **ChrisWerner** » Mon May 16, 2011 12:37 pm

Well my few bits. All the hardware delays were used by good old german electronic music (EM) pioneers , Klaus Schulze, Kratfwerk etc. and are still used in the EM studios.
EM cannot exit without delays. In pop rock you will find use of the delay more sporadic.

I am not a hardware dinosaur so other here can help you more on that, but a real surprise in the reverb and delay hardware section are the eventide things, very creative, IMHO.

I am more a software freak, so I'll say something about that. For your paper it could be interesting to flash a bit on the software side of delays. There are some interesting delay attempts came out in the past. Most noticeable would be the fft delays. You have up to 1024 freq bands and each band can be setup with its own delay time and pan. NI came out with that some years back, called spectral delay.
Virsyn have something similiar now with the FDelay:
http://www.virsyn.com/en/E_Products/E_F ... delay.html

Also interesting could be a thought about an overview on the other modulation effects.
Short delay times will give resonators, higher will give you phaser, then flanger, then chorus, delays, echoes and finally reverbs.
Rough said.

Good hunt on your BA !

nightscope · Post by **nightscope** » Mon May 16, 2011 1:34 pm

The Floyd & Hendrix used Binsons.

Space Echos =

Mick Jones of The Clash
Nick McCabe of The Verve
Hank Marvin of The Shadows
Randy Rhoads of Ozzy Osbourne
Moritz von Oswald of Basic Channel
Adam Pearson of The Sisters of Mercy
Brian Eno
Jonny Greenwood of Radiohead
Noel Gallagher of Oasis
Leftfield
Pink Floyd
Paul Reynolds of A Flock of Seagulls
Tim Simenon
Sonic Youth
Zombie Nation
Alan Vega of Suicide
Wata of Boris
Lee "Scratch" Perry
King Tubby
Thee Oh Sees
John Mayer
The Orb
Throbbing Gristle
Maserati[7]
Lockett Pundt of Deerhunter and Lotus Plaza

AMS had the first digital delays, I still got a couple.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AMS_%28Adv ... Systems%29

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4lhE1upzemU

Roland http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roland_Space_Echo

Binson http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Binson

And Johnny Kidd of Johnny Kidd and The Pirates used a WEM Copycat. Not a lot of people know that or even care,

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FtL0efmtFSk

Echoplex http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0WSKEuhg ... re=related

The great John Martyn

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VYCG5wZ9op8

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0WSKEuhg ... re=related

ns

dante · Post by **dante** » Mon May 16, 2011 1:47 pm

From here :

http://www.ehow.com/about_5040701_histo ... rders.html

"In 1948, Ampex introduced its Model 200 tape recorder, which revolutionized the entertainment industry. It was used to produce the first tape-delayed radio broadcast in the United States."

I'd be interested to know if they ever made a delay setup before then using the wire recorders.

Me$$iah · Post by **Me$$iah** » Mon May 16, 2011 6:03 pm

I think it might be worth looking at the BBC sound department for early use of delays along with many other sound creation innovations

dawman · Post by **dawman** » Mon May 16, 2011 6:45 pm

My first soundman when I was 14 had a Teac Reel to Reel and a pencil.

Post by **garyb** » Mon May 16, 2011 7:02 pm

XITE-1/4LIVE wrote:My first soundman when I was 14 had a Teac Reel to Reel and a pencil.

early tape loop...

ChrisWerner · Post by **ChrisWerner** » Mon May 16, 2011 7:53 pm

dante wrote:From here :

http://www.ehow.com/about_5040701_histo ... rders.html

"In 1948, Ampex introduced its Model 200 tape recorder, which revolutionized the entertainment industry. It was used to produce the first tape-delayed radio broadcast in the United States."

I'd be interested to know if they ever made a delay setup before then using the wire recorders.

Wasn't the tape tech stolen from Germany at the end of the WW II and introduced at ampex later.......

dante · Post by **dante** » Mon May 16, 2011 7:56 pm

Well yeah, open the link and read the sentence before the one I quoted...

the19thbear · Post by **the19thbear** » Mon May 16, 2011 11:13 pm

thanks alot people! interesting stuff:)
-keep it coming!

Ben Walker · Post by **Ben Walker** » Tue May 17, 2011 12:22 am

There's a Roland Space echo clearly visible in this picture of Lee Pery's Black Ark studio:
http://www.soundonsound.com/sos/jul07/i ... ing1_l.jpg

erminardi · Post by **erminardi** » Wed May 18, 2011 6:55 am

Try also ask to Matrixsynth people, this blog is a goldmine of theese kind of informations

spacef · Post by **spacef** » Wed May 18, 2011 10:59 am

funny no one mentionned TelRay
http://telrayoilcanaddicts.yuku.com/

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=92ylKva58Zk

the19thbear · Post by **the19thbear** » Mon May 23, 2011 12:33 am

What about the memory man pedal? (the original one)
Who where some of the first famouse artists to use that?

any suggestions?

nightscope · Post by **nightscope** » Mon May 23, 2011 4:27 am

the19thbear wrote:any suggestions?

Edge. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electro-Harmonix

Mind you, these guys probably used them all at some stage.

ns

the19thbear · Post by **the19thbear** » Mon May 23, 2011 6:06 am

it doesnt really say who specifically used the memory man the first (or one of the first times)... other than u2 - and i doubt they were the first. the memory man has been around since late 70's.
But thanks for the time though

nightscope · Post by **nightscope** » Mon May 23, 2011 10:10 am

Some of the first heavy duty delay users were folks such as Robert Fripp and Steve Hillage. One of the first I became aware of was Terry Riley, the keyboardist.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Terry_Riley

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=apxuRKWmEJs

http://emusician.com/em_spotlight/fripp_guitar/

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