NOAA: last decade was warmest, global warming "undeniable"

[dawman]

http://www.esa.int/SPECIALS/Technology/ ... TFG_0.html

Nice Link atom.
Actually the 2 Spanish kids mentioned in the link above are looked upon as heroes in the private farming communites where my family has farms. Unfortunately they caved in to the Federal/Corporate lobby and let the USDA lease the land. But there are 1000's of small private farmers that have complained about the corporate giants bleeding the Ogallala ( worlds largest fresh water aquifer ) and then having contaminated runoff water from the pesticides and GM harvests.
The contamination was hard to detect by using imagery from satellites, and private testing from locals leads to ridicule and demonizing. The Spanish kids have given new weapons to the little people in battling the corporate giants.

On the other hand. The satellite imagery used by the NOAA showed how dangerous levels of C02 were showing up during low pressure periods here in Las Vegas. This information was used to collect large grants form the Federal Government. 1 year later it was proven that dust levels and CO2 cannot be differentiated from using the technology, so laws were passed to strengthen existing fines against the Building And Trades by OSHA, and the Nevada Department Of Transportation swiftly began paving over dirt roads. 6 years later the same imagery technology showed a 40% reduction in " C02 " emissions.

Let's say the NOAA had its way and just kept collecting cash without skepticism, what would they have done..........?? Nothing. At least the skepticism led to finding out that dust, not Co2 was the dangerous culprit. At least now the air is cleaner, so I appluad the skeptics, and the climatologists.
Glad to see you read something more worthwhile than the same newspapers that take corporate ad money in return for propoganda and talking points.

[Me$$iah]

There are no carbon traders in Chicago.

that index closed down

[garyb]

good.

[valis]

Good. Funny how long we've had these 2 threads running...

[Zer]

[dawman]

FYI the worlds largest Solar Plant is right down the street from me.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nevada_Solar_One

Hoover Dam is right next door and it generates 10.348 TWh yearly.
Nevada Solar One generates .000134 TWh.
Not a very fair comparison.

I want a Solar Generator to play Scope in the woods while camping, but its costs shot up 200% since last year, and I estimated an entire day of sunshine would allow only an hour of jams. Thats what the conversion table claims.
So 300 feet of extension cable will just have to do. The Proprietors of the site never figure on a guy like me coming and swiping thier juice. They should have hidden the outlets better.

FYI Climatetemp.info was listed as one of the links above from Wayne, PA. net worth of 2667 USD.
Seems they need to be federally funded too.

[garyb]

i've got panels on my roof....

[siriusbliss]

i've got panels on my roof....

Solar is most efficient when localized (like on your roof or even right on your devices), and not controlled by yet another conglomerate, and not by having to store and ship the electricity (at a loss) down the wires.

Greg

[garyb]

that's right, but a grid is still usefull for sharing the load....

[valis]

Actually the whole grid is woefully inefficient, so don't just take Solar as the source to task on that one.

[pwhitmaker]

"Global freezing" here i Stockholm now.
minus 19 celsius.
The coldest temperature in this area at this time of year in 100 years!
But of course this is also "global warming" effect!

[jksuperstar]

Hydro-electric power was one of the reasons the US became such an industrial giant back in the day.

We've since staved off the cost of oil/energy compared to most other parts of the world, but it seems to be catching up rapidly now.

A change in dependence on the source of energy would be a good thing. Climate or pollution can be part of the discussion or not. It's still a good thing.

[garyb]

no doubt.

[dawman]

Indeed.
Most folks don't realize that 92% of the land here in Nevada is federally owned.
There are dozens of undisclosed " Power Plants " that are built here on Indian Resevation Land and Federal land that the DOE paid for under Bush Sr. & Clintons term.
Naturally the information is wrong as I built this place back in '94 when nobody would hire me in the local lounge groups and shows in Tahoe/Reno. I still hear the same crap about how I might leave and go on some tour again and leave them high and dry......truth is, the phone stopped ringing 8 years ago. I am a lounge lizzard forever now..
Below is the DOE document in pdf. form. There are dozens of these, and several Solar fields too.
http://www.osti.gov/bridge/servlets/pur ... bviewable/

The Feds want to scare everyone by acting like America is crumbling away with ancient grids, etc.

Just driving from Las Vegas to Tahoe one can see in the distance what looks like several Nuclear Power plants too. And miles of bunker complexes with high security, but they claim they are old WWII ammo dumps......yeah right.
The truth is that such places are all over the country and Uncle Sam likes to play dumb.
Rumor has it that the dozens of flights that shuttle workers off to Area 51 in the am hours here from Las Vegas are building some wierd underground facilities by the White Mountains.
I know a few retired Electricians working in the Stagehands Union that have wild stories about the massive underground projects they had to wire up.
Thier pensions are held hostage to privacy agreements.
Just like after 30 years Clinton had to admit publicly that Area 51 exists, we now have untold Billions of development here that is " Top Secret."
Google Yucca Mountain. You'll see how its an abandonned Nuclear Waste site. Truth is as I have freinds who still work there, it appears to be the worlds largest strategic Oil Reserves. Thanks Bush Jr. Iraq came in handy for Big Oil guys.
For an abandonned project they sure work long hours and have high security motion detection and satellite security......
I dont believe a single word the Feds say.
And since my power bills are peanuts compared to SoCal or New York, I quietly understand.

[Mr Arkadin]

how do you explain the stupid title of this thread when the last decade was far from the warmest in earth's history, or even human history, when in the middle ages Europe was so warm that people only built their hearths outside the home and Greenland and Iceland were rich farming lands?

Still awaiting a comment from either braincell or stardust on this one, funny how they seem to keep missing it even when it's highlighted.

[dawman]

No wonder the elites went to Cancun.
Hard to discuss Global Warming in the snow.
Al Gores' Sheep are fortunate though, they have Wool......natrually...

[zangsta]

I want some of that global warming, here, NOW !!!!
The fimbul-winter hit us early and hard this year,
a new ice-age seems likelier right now...

[valis]

Still awaiting a comment from either braincell or stardust on this one, funny how they seem to keep missing it even when it's highlighted.

What u gotta do is add emphasis:

[Cochise]

i've got panels on my roof....

Solar is most efficient when localized (like on your roof or even right on your devices), and not controlled by yet another conglomerate, and not by having to store and ship the electricity (at a loss) down the wires.

Greg

Since some year I always dream about an independent music production studio.
Independent... even from the grid. The transport loss is down wires and transformers; state of the art PSU don't go more above 80% of efficiency. Since transport involves voltage elevation and reduction, this means in the better circumstances 20+20% + loss down wires = 50% and more of energy loss...
...What about hydrogen?

I agree with Jimmy V though; solar only can't be enough.
Personal wind rotors? ...probably not enough rotating-mass/wind-surface to ensure production in low wind conditions...

[dawman]

If you want the best power, lengthiest uptime........move near a Casino.
I can guarantee they pay dearly to keep those games dingin' and ringin'.
Everybody always tells me I'm nuts for being a virtual instrument guy live.
Well its cause I never left Nevada to do the Holiday Inn circuit.
That's for the Motiff guys....
One crash in 1985 made my FDD samplers need a reboot, but the deadly Oberheim DMX,
Yamaha QX-1 and 360 Systems MIDI Bass never blinked.
Always liked those expensive and rare 5 1/4" FDD's...