Iran?

[netguyjoel]

US black ops...? All the conspiracy theorists...yawn...

[Shroomz~>]

There's a lot of money in conspiracy theories that much is certain. Take Alex Jones as an example.

[valis]

US black ops...? All the conspiracy theorists...yawn...

The US play a role in such things? Gasp! It's not like it's never happened before. However there are certainly plenty of potential 'meddlers' in that arena... Then again the US is rather conveniently positioned to support something should the need arise though eh?

[garyb]

such narrow minded ignorance...

i said black ops, not US black ops. i assume the US is in there, the Israelis, the UK, Russia, Egypt, Pakistan, India, oh and all these guys' leaders are in on it too!

oh dear, that's not what the TV said!


as far as i can see, the folks here, including myself, have no idea what is the true reality. we've all seen too many corners of the matrix...who else's willing to stop clucking their tongue and admit the insanity and senselessness of all that's "official"? who's willing to stand naked(philosophically, mentally and emotionally) and admit that somewhere along the line, people have been lead to believe complete folderol? yes, those who listen to "conspiracy theories" and those who use those words to discredit evidence outright without having to face unpleasant conclusions are to blame for trying to put things into nice litrtle boxes

how typical. and so the protection of those who marry their sisters and kill their siblings and parents continues....

just remember, David Rockefellor, H.G. Wells, LORD Bertrand Russell, and the Huxleys, all highly placed, say that there IS a conspiracy and it's NOT a theory. obviously there are many conspiracies and theories, some real and many more imagined. many REAL conspiracies become known, like the Watergate burglary or the Bavarian Illuminati or Nazi death camps or the Manhattan Project or the conspiracy to start WW1 with the death of an Archduke, but many more never see the light of day. one thing in common with these secret cabals, is that they rarely if ever do anything nice for people. "conspiracy theories" may be real or not, but the only ADULTS who ignore them are the damaged and the ignorant. before anyone gets too self righteous, i'll include myself in both catagories.

[garyb]

There's a lot of money in conspiracy theories that much is certain. Take Alex Jones as an example.

yes, he's getting outrageously wealthy. he might just become a Peer soon. still, he's nothing compared to Walter Cronkite!

[garyb]

US black ops...? All the conspiracy theorists...yawn...

The US play a role in such things? Gasp! It's not like it's never happened before. However there are certainly plenty of potential 'meddlers' in that arena... Then again the US is rather conveniently positioned to support something should the need arise though eh?

they literally call it "high jinks"!

this is what they think of you(non-specific you).

[netguyjoel]

All the conspiracy theorists...yawn...


It bears repeating....

[dawman]

Well here's a prime example of Media inspired bull shit.
They are claiming that beautiful Iranian, and she is a serious babe, I mean when I heard she was with her music teacher I become even more infuriated, but then I got a grip and remembered the fodder has been useful many times before.
At any rate Media hypers are calling her the girl shot down by Iranain Sharpshooters.........
I seriously doubt it was anything but a stray bullet...........of doubtful origins.

If those are sharpshooters they obviously couldn't hit the backside of a Bull with a Bass Fiddle..
I hope they take that country over eventually.
I would love to visit it someday and see the old ruins, and actually see robed women taking it all off in a Tehran Gentlemens Club.

I mean several layers too.
These local Ho's come out on stage hald naked or dressed up like Catholic Schoolgirls..................pahleez..............that's as bad as an Oberheim VST synth.

Foreplay is crucial for old Bastards like me, seeings how it ain't my first rodeo.
I reckon it won't be my last neither....................Ankyu.

[garyb]

All the conspiracy theorists...yawn...


It bears repeating....

G Damn psyops doublethinkers! ptoi! traitors to humanity!

it bears repeating.

or maybe you have some ACTUAL knowledge?

oh noes, thre's nuttin goin on:
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/scienceandte ... earch.html
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/education/ed ... n-MI5.html
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Soviet_Story
http://www.fema.gov/media/fact_sheets/nle09.shtm
http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/washing ... llers.html
http://www.cuttingthroughthematrix.ca/a ... enda21.pdf
http://www8.nationalacademies.org/onpin ... ordID=5739
http://pubs.drdc.gc.ca/PDFS/unc73/p31370.pdf
http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree ... ng-welfare
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2009/ju ... adopted-g8
http://www.spiked-online.com/index.php? ... icle/6421/
http://www.ideaireland.org/gmfood.htm
http://www.dutchnews.nl/news/archives/2 ... se_cas.php
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LsLOcZQh ... re=related
http://www.postgazette.com/pg/09155/975068-100.stm
http://www.cidrap.umn.edu/cidrap/conten ... brids.html
http://www.oldthinkernews.com/Articles/ ... ontrol.htm
http://rawstory.com/08/news/2009/06/01/ ... -congress/
http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/james ... ean_union/
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/earth/enviro ... rritt.html
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article ... e-DVD.html
http://www.irinnews.org/Report.aspx?ReportId=84619

at what point do we go beyond "theories" and do we get to actual working models and fact? we know very little about what is actually happening in Iran, but i'm pretty darn sure whatever IS happening, it's not what they're telling us.

[dawman]

Serious Linkage..............

[garyb]

serious nonsense. there's no conspiracy. it's a Con's Piracy.

[netguyjoel]

The government if Iran sure are behaving like pirates...spot on Gary

The only conspiracy I see, is an oppressive, corrupt government, trying to maintain hardcore control of the people and natural resources. I pray the people succeed.....

[Shroomz~>]

The only conspiracy I see, is an oppressive, corrupt government, trying to maintain hardcore control of the people and natural resources. I pray the people succeed.....

Sorry Joel, but you're wrong & Gary is right in my humble opinion. Don't take the use of the words 'wrong' & 'right' too literally. I'm basically just saying that you're wrong to throw around the old 'oh dear, here come the conspiracy theorists' chestnut. Read up on the history of Iran, in fact just read all about Operation Ajax

Next thing people will be saying it's merely a coincidence that US & UK military forces are in at least 2 countries bordering Iran & intensely co-operating with other countries bordering Iran such as Pakistan. That's no coincidence from where I'm sitting.

[Shroomz~>]

The New York Times recently leaked a CIA report on the 1953 American–British overthrow of Mossadeq, Iran’s Prime Minister. It billed the report as a secret history of the secret coup, and treated it as an invaluable substitute for the U. S. files that remain inaccessible. But a reconstruction of the coup from other sources, especially from the archives of the British Foreign Office, indicates that this report is highly sanitized. It glosses over such sensitive issues as the crucial participation of the U. S. ambassador in the actual overthrow; the role of U. S. military advisers; the harnessing of local Nazis and Muslim terrorists; and the use of assassinations to destabilize the government. What is more, it places the coup in the context the Cold War rather than that of the Anglo-Iranian oil crisis — a classic case of nationalism clashing with imperialism in the Third World.

UK Foreign Office says 2 UK diplomats are accused by Iran of "activities incompatible with their status" & were expelled by Iran (The BBC's James Robbins said the allegation, which the UK rejected, is usually a cover for an accusation of espionage).

[dawman]

In other words our foriegn diplomats are the only politicians we have that got any BALLS....

[netguyjoel]

Thomas PM Barnett. The Pentagon's New Map..get educated

Try studying the new rule sets for the 21st century..not the blunders of the past. They don't apply now.

And what does the barrage of links have to do with Iran...more conspiracy theory...HA!

Middle East culture towards women is among the worst in the world...Burcas...are you kidding me.
You would rather see women subjected to this...rather than trying to progress their society, for the betterment of all???

Education...learning to drive a car....getting into the workplace...contributing to their society....Yeah, that's just crazy...isn't it!

Then let's give Iraq back to dictators, Afghanistan to the Taliban, encourage foreign, insane, zealots that want to kill you, me and gary...great strategy! What would YOU do for the middle east...I don't hear any suggestions coming from ANYONE! Just more conspiracy hoopla, and ridicule...without a sliver of alternatives to solving the matter at hand.

The US and UK, have enough blame to go around. Look at Palestine...

We live in a new world with different rule sets for a different time...Iran deserves better...and so do many that suffer in the middle east...stop blaming Israel the US & the UK, Pakistan, and everyone else...start thinking about what YOU can do better...if you can

[Shroomz~>]

In other words our foriegn diplomats are the only politicians we have that got any BALLS....

Well it's common sense that US & UK diplomats in Iran will be working very closely with intelligence agencies such as the CIA & MI6. Figuring that much out ain't rocket science & it's no secret that those agencies are practically always involved in cases of Middle eastern governments & regimes being overthrown. This must be what Iran refer to as 'meddling' in their countries' affairs.

[dawman]

I'll let those guys roll around and get dirty with the men, while they are practicing their lies and other neffarious activities, I'll show those beautiful women what they've been missing out on.........

[garyb]

In other words our foriegn diplomats are the only politicians we have that got any BALLS....

Well it's common sense that US & UK diplomats in Iran will be working very closely with intelligence agencies such as the CIA & MI6. Figuring that much out ain't rocket science & it's no secret that those agencies are practically always involved in cases of Middle eastern governments & regimes being overthrown. This must be what Iran refer to as 'meddling' in their countries' affairs.

case in point:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/8102745.stm

[garyb]

the middle east zealots were ALL installed by the west, mostly by the UK and USA. check the history. i know it's hard to wrap one's head around it, but there are nothing but gangsters and criminals running things everywhere.