Hi
i want to know if there is any way of checking my luna board hardware?
If there is any tests that i can do home to see if the hardware doesnt have any problem?
The board is record and playing fine but my computer sometimes crash all hardware tests have b done, windows reinstall...i dont know if the tests they normaly do test the soundcard too, even this is a very specific and unusual board for those guys that fix computers. Im getting tired of this and of this days i think im gonna change computer..Do you think that, with xp, my luna board with 8 years will work ok on the new generation computers...double core processors, express pci slots, etc
well if someone can help me
please say something
Cheers
Pedro
How i check scope hardware?
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Re: How i check scope hardware?
sure it will - if the rest of the computer is ok ... 
You kind of name the 'problem' yourself.
All this supa-dupa-hardware is built with something else in mind, not audio production - let alone by a PCI card.
On a quality, industrial grade board I wouldn't expect much trouble, if any at all...
But on a 50 Euro multi-media-9-usb-double-raid-rubbish that may be a different story.
Those cards hardly ever break (if they sustained that long).
Overheating of the slot area is often a source of malfunction, because there's usually bad circulation of air (in a standard PC case)
cheers, Tom
You kind of name the 'problem' yourself.
All this supa-dupa-hardware is built with something else in mind, not audio production - let alone by a PCI card.
On a quality, industrial grade board I wouldn't expect much trouble, if any at all...
But on a 50 Euro multi-media-9-usb-double-raid-rubbish that may be a different story.
Those cards hardly ever break (if they sustained that long).
Overheating of the slot area is often a source of malfunction, because there's usually bad circulation of air (in a standard PC case)
cheers, Tom
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Re: How i check scope hardware?
But you think that can be overheating? I didnt tell but is after change my cpu that this thing start to happen...i changed from a 2.4 ghz to a 3.2...if that is the problem, overheating, its strange cause sometimes computer works for 8 hours or more ( music, emails,internet, whatever) and nothing happens, sometimes after 10 or 20 minutes crashes.astroman wrote:sure it will - if the rest of the computer is ok ...
You kind of name the 'problem' yourself.
All this supa-dupa-hardware is built with something else in mind, not audio production - let alone by a PCI card.
On a quality, industrial grade board I wouldn't expect much trouble, if any at all...
But on a 50 Euro multi-media-9-usb-double-raid-rubbish that may be a different story.
Those cards hardly ever break (if they sustained that long).
Overheating of the slot area is often a source of malfunction, because there's usually bad circulation of air (in a standard PC case)
cheers, Tom
Cheers
Re: How i check scope hardware?
well, if it started to happen after you changed CPUs from 2.4 to 3.2, then it's more likely related to the CPU itself than 'stuck' heat in a corner of the box.
And it almost verifies that your Luna is ok 
I'm not a hardware guru at all, in fact I know almost nothing about (Intel) CPU internals.
One has to get along with them, as it's the market leader and that's about it.
I usually prefer the version with the lowest clock and heat dissipation and consider 'power' a marketing blurb. Some optimized rendering jobs may benefit here and there, but most stuff today is coded rather inefficient due to deadlines and complex environments.
To raise the clockrate by 30% is significant stress for the CPU - to optimize a program by 30% is an almost exotic result.
You'd rather yield 50-200% if you dig into it.
in other words: a moderately clocked system with well choosen software will outperform the latest and greatest and it will run more reliably anyway
mind you: the CPU clock rate is labelled to the item after the production process - according to certain test results. Partially it's a matter of chance...
cheers, Tom
And it almost verifies that your Luna is ok
I'm not a hardware guru at all, in fact I know almost nothing about (Intel) CPU internals.
One has to get along with them, as it's the market leader and that's about it.
I usually prefer the version with the lowest clock and heat dissipation and consider 'power' a marketing blurb. Some optimized rendering jobs may benefit here and there, but most stuff today is coded rather inefficient due to deadlines and complex environments.
To raise the clockrate by 30% is significant stress for the CPU - to optimize a program by 30% is an almost exotic result.
You'd rather yield 50-200% if you dig into it.
in other words: a moderately clocked system with well choosen software will outperform the latest and greatest and it will run more reliably anyway
mind you: the CPU clock rate is labelled to the item after the production process - according to certain test results. Partially it's a matter of chance...
cheers, Tom
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Re: How i check scope hardware?
But, after problem start to happen one of the things that have been done to the computer was change to the old cpu (2.4 ghz) and the problem still, that was when they decided to reinstall windows cause it seems that was not a cpu problem and return to the new cpu (3.2ghz)....astroman wrote:well, if it started to happen after you changed CPUs from 2.4 to 3.2, then it's more likely related to the CPU itself than 'stuck' heat in a corner of the box.
And it almost verifies that your Luna is ok
I'm not a hardware guru at all, in fact I know almost nothing about (Intel) CPU internals.
One has to get along with them, as it's the market leader and that's about it.
I usually prefer the version with the lowest clock and heat dissipation and consider 'power' a marketing blurb. Some optimized rendering jobs may benefit here and there, but most stuff today is coded rather inefficient due to deadlines and complex environments.
To raise the clockrate by 30% is significant stress for the CPU - to optimize a program by 30% is an almost exotic result.
You'd rather yield 50-200% if you dig into it.
in other words: a moderately clocked system with well choosen software will outperform the latest and greatest and it will run more reliably anyway
mind you: the CPU clock rate is labelled to the item after the production process - according to certain test results. Partially it's a matter of chance...
cheers, Tom
Do you think that a overheated cpu can damage a mainboard?Cheers
Pedro
Re: How i check scope hardware?
No, I'd rather say that a modern CPU cannot even overheat - it will clock itself down internally
Afterall (today) a CPU is a very complex thing, as is a motherboard, as is the BIOS, as is what you call operating system.
Needless to mention the same applies (more or less) to applications like sequencer software etc etc.
Today you don't have reliability anymore - you only have probability
It's a matter of fact, that Intel (or AMD) cannot even test all states a modern CPU can take.
There is also a reason why they print don't use this PC (this software) for life critical applications on every box or into it's documentation.
these are the facts, and we all have to get along with them...
one approch is to buy whatever comes along and rely on luck
another one would be to increase probability that the system is stable
this starts with quality - and it really starts with the case, the powersupply (!)
a mainboard from a quality manufacturer with exactly the features you need
by a supplier who knows how to treat parts etc etc
it is very easy to damage something by static electricity - it's the most devious error you can imagine, as it may appear and disappear in arbitrary intervals.
A typical static damage doesn't make the part fail immediately and completely - that's why people hardly notice them
as you can see, there's a million of things that can go wrong on a system like yours.
It can be anything from a simple installation error (in some cases it just does the wrong thing) to a failing part (by manufacturer or by accident).
It could even be something as trivial as a badly seated card...
A lot of servicing such stuff is about intuition grown on experience - yes, it is vodoo
But you need to provide all the deatails about mobo, bios, psu, ram, graphic card, os version, service packs, applications etc
(btw with cra**ed software you can forget right about it...)
cheers, Tom
Afterall (today) a CPU is a very complex thing, as is a motherboard, as is the BIOS, as is what you call operating system.
Needless to mention the same applies (more or less) to applications like sequencer software etc etc.
Today you don't have reliability anymore - you only have probability
It's a matter of fact, that Intel (or AMD) cannot even test all states a modern CPU can take.
There is also a reason why they print don't use this PC (this software) for life critical applications on every box or into it's documentation.
these are the facts, and we all have to get along with them...
one approch is to buy whatever comes along and rely on luck
another one would be to increase probability that the system is stable
this starts with quality - and it really starts with the case, the powersupply (!)
a mainboard from a quality manufacturer with exactly the features you need
by a supplier who knows how to treat parts etc etc
it is very easy to damage something by static electricity - it's the most devious error you can imagine, as it may appear and disappear in arbitrary intervals.
A typical static damage doesn't make the part fail immediately and completely - that's why people hardly notice them
as you can see, there's a million of things that can go wrong on a system like yours.
It can be anything from a simple installation error (in some cases it just does the wrong thing) to a failing part (by manufacturer or by accident).
It could even be something as trivial as a badly seated card...
A lot of servicing such stuff is about intuition grown on experience - yes, it is vodoo
But you need to provide all the deatails about mobo, bios, psu, ram, graphic card, os version, service packs, applications etc
(btw with cra**ed software you can forget right about it...)
cheers, Tom
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Re: How i check scope hardware?
About static electricity...i have an ups...Do you think that an ups can stop that?astroman wrote:No, I'd rather say that a modern CPU cannot even overheat - it will clock itself down internally
Afterall (today) a CPU is a very complex thing, as is a motherboard, as is the BIOS, as is what you call operating system.
Needless to mention the same applies (more or less) to applications like sequencer software etc etc.
Today you don't have reliability anymore - you only have probability
It's a matter of fact, that Intel (or AMD) cannot even test all states a modern CPU can take.
There is also a reason why they print don't use this PC (this software) for life critical applications on every box or into it's documentation.
these are the facts, and we all have to get along with them...
one approch is to buy whatever comes along and rely on luck
another one would be to increase probability that the system is stable
this starts with quality - and it really starts with the case, the powersupply (!)
a mainboard from a quality manufacturer with exactly the features you need
by a supplier who knows how to treat parts etc etc
it is very easy to damage something by static electricity - it's the most devious error you can imagine, as it may appear and disappear in arbitrary intervals.
A typical static damage doesn't make the part fail immediately and completely - that's why people hardly notice them
as you can see, there's a million of things that can go wrong on a system like yours.
It can be anything from a simple installation error (in some cases it just does the wrong thing) to a failing part (by manufacturer or by accident).
It could even be something as trivial as a badly seated card...
A lot of servicing such stuff is about intuition grown on experience - yes, it is vodoo
But you need to provide all the deatails about mobo, bios, psu, ram, graphic card, os version, service packs, applications etc
(btw with cra**ed software you can forget right about it...)
cheers, Tom
Cheers
Pedro
Re: How i check scope hardware?
static electricity is not related to power spikes - it's extremely high voltage that builds up (for example) when you walk in leather soles over an office floor... and discharges when you touch the door
When you wear synthetic clothes, your body movement is enough to build up such electricity which will discharge through your fingertips to memory modules or a CPU if you get close to them. Sometimes it's not even necessary to fully touch the items as the voltage is high enough to 'jump' over through the air.
Of course manufacturers add some protection during the building process, but they cannot prevent everything.
That's why grounded 'bands' are recommended when handling electrostatic sensitive items like CPUs, memory modules, mobos etc - but just look at the next best PC shop who's actually wearing them...
A temporary solution is to discharge yourself by touching a large metal part, but the next body movement may build up load again.
cheers, Tom
When you wear synthetic clothes, your body movement is enough to build up such electricity which will discharge through your fingertips to memory modules or a CPU if you get close to them. Sometimes it's not even necessary to fully touch the items as the voltage is high enough to 'jump' over through the air.
Of course manufacturers add some protection during the building process, but they cannot prevent everything.
That's why grounded 'bands' are recommended when handling electrostatic sensitive items like CPUs, memory modules, mobos etc - but just look at the next best PC shop who's actually wearing them...
A temporary solution is to discharge yourself by touching a large metal part, but the next body movement may build up load again.
cheers, Tom
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Re: How i check scope hardware?
Of course! I know electrostatic doesnt came from the electrical currentastroman wrote:static electricity is not related to power spikes - it's extremely high voltage that builds up (for example) when you walk in leather soles over an office floor... and discharges when you touch the door
When you wear synthetic clothes, your body movement is enough to build up such electricity which will discharge through your fingertips to memory modules or a CPU if you get close to them. Sometimes it's not even necessary to fully touch the items as the voltage is high enough to 'jump' over through the air.
Of course manufacturers add some protection during the building process, but they cannot prevent everything.
That's why grounded 'bands' are recommended when handling electrostatic sensitive items like CPUs, memory modules, mobos etc - but just look at the next best PC shop who's actually wearing them...
A temporary solution is to discharge yourself by touching a large metal part, but the next body movement may build up load again.
cheers, Tom
...maybe its a coincidence but my wife when she touches things she take a small electrical shock, not always but a lot of times 
Maybe some persons have more tendence for that...Im in a new home for about 2 months and this problem starts on that time, but was the same time i changed the cpu...Its possible that a new building built with all the security can acumulate electro static, for some reason like, the main electrical cables of the building have some bad construction? I think im getting mad with all this 
Cheers
Pedro
Re: How i check scope hardware?
An electrician can identify power issues at the outlet, and your wife probably gets a 'static charge' from some combination of her clothes, footwear & your carpeting (if any).