midi to usb interfaces

[ARCADIOS]

any reccomendations on good midi to usb interfaces?

in my case i play my cme uf7 and a clavinova piano through midi derectly to scopes midi ins,
but when i use a sequencer, ableton for instance, there is a delay.
ableton has no delay when taking midi from the cme usb,
but the clavinove does not hace usb.

so, i would like to have a midi interface flexible enough to take midi and give midi and usb midi as well.

thanks

[dawman]

http://www.midisolutions.com/prodrte.htm

http://www.midisolutions.com/prodevp.htm

http://www.midisolutions.com/prodthr.htm

Each of these units also has built in filtering for Active Sensoring.
In case I didn't totally understand your exact needs, they have all of the MIDI answers I have ever seen there.

[Neutron]

you could get a bcr2000 to control stuff on your scope and sequencer, and it also has a 2in/1out MIDI USB interface. its almost like getting a free midi controller.

[garyb]

the delay is from long ulli settings. latency with your card's midi should be the same as with usb. there still might be advantages to a usb midi interface.

the CME could also be used to input midi from the other keyboard. it has a midi in, no?

[ARCADIOS]

thanks for the responds.

well the latency is not a matter of ully setting
scope has no delay when controlling a stand alone instrument. ivory in my case.
but latency appears when i control ivory as vst or any other vst in ableton via creamware midi.
but via usb midi ableton is just fine.

now if i want to play a creamware synth, iplay it direcctly from creamware midi.
but if i want to play it throgh ableton, it has delay.
to avoid the delay i send midi via cme usb port which appears to have no delay and then i send from creaware seq midi source.

cme uf7 does not have midi in.

clavinova clp880 doeas not have usb.

also any vst within ableton has a delay if played with scopes midi, and no delay if played with usb midi.

[garyb]

are you using asio or wave drivers?

if ulli is set to 4ms, the total latency should be 8ms, as short as usb....

otherwise, i don't care(at all) what you use. i would just like you to have a happy working system. it's a shame the controller doesn't have a midi in. it could be your usb interface if it did, oh well...

[Neutron]

if you plug MIDI in to scope and then play a synth in scope. there is no latency from ULLI it is not used. it is basically the same thing as pluging MIDIi in to a hardware synth and playing it.
if you p[lug MIDI in to scope, connect it to sequencer MIDI in, then sequencer MIDI out to scope synth then you have to send MIDI through PCI, Bus, Windows, Sequencer program, Windows, PCI Bus again. so the better your settings, the better it should be.

[ARCADIOS]

i use asio.
in fact i use 32 stereo asios with ableton, abut i have checked it aslo with 1 stereo asio.
the ully setting does not make a difference in that kind of latency.


if i play a scopes synth there is no latence, and it is reasonable that when midi travels from scopes midi source to seq midi dest and from seq midi source to synth it makes a latency.

but sorry if i insist but i am talking about a latency that a simple user would not notice.
it is notices if i play vsts within ableton and especialy when playing ivory as a vst. it just does not have the direct responce that has when ableton uses usb midi.
it is a pc midi related issue i guess, because even i send from cme midi, or clavinova midi, or through bitstream 32x midi, the same results of a small noticable latency occur in a daw, (vsts or sending to scopes sequencer midi source).
but when i just have only usb midi in ableton, the latency of cme playing becomes 0.

[ARCADIOS]

in other words.

would it be better to play vsts in ableton only through usb midi?
scoes midi apperas to be ok only within its environment, and maybe controlling sliders or knobs in a sequencer.
but for a piano player it sucks. not scopes midi. the midi travilling through scope-pci bus-sequencer

[valis]

Scope's midi should be no worse than usb midi, in fact I have found (comparing it to my MOTU micro-express & a midisport 4x4) that it's at least as stable in timing & latency if not more so. Scope's midi IS subject to what else is going on in your Scope & your system a bit more than a usb midi driver is (since Scope will consume processor time for other things aside from just handling its midi i/o).

Try this real quick:

Load up a simple Scope synth (something with a good attack) and a VSTi. Route the midi signal IN SCOPE from the keyboard you have connected to the Scope hardware to both the Scope synth and then into your sequencer, routing that to a VSTi's track/channel and arm it so it can 'see' midi input from your keyboard. Use a fairly percussive preset or sample (fast/immediate attack, not necessarily drums but they will work too) in both the Scope plugin and the VSTi, press a key on your keyboard. There's a noticeable delay? If so record it so you can see how many samples/milliseconds apart they are.

For extra credit:

Route your USB midi signal both to a VSTi and to a midi track that's sent out to scope. Arm them so they can both 'see' your usb controller's notes as you press them, and check if there's a time difference there too.

[garyb]

dude.
use what you want to.
however, if the ulli setting is low(like 4ms), the latency is also low. usb has latency too. in fact, a couple of milliseceonds for the interface and then the normal asio latency for hearing the playback make it the SAME as Scope. there are plenty of us who accomplish this every day(Scope midi with very low latency) and some of us use usb interfaces also, even at the same time...there is NO zero latency midi. this is just for your information.

[ARCADIOS]

valis, there is a delay in both ways you described me, but the case of controlling a scopes synth via sequencer is not usable for me since i control in direclty from scoes midi.
but even in that case when i use midi + midi is worse than usb + midi.
midi in vsts in a sequencer is also worse than usb in vsts in a sequencer


"0" latency there is not, i know.

do i say something wrong??

[Nebukadneser]

any reccomendations on good midi to usb interfaces?

but when i use a sequencer, ableton for instance, there is a delay.
ableton has no delay when taking midi from the cme usb,

thanks

I will highly recommend Steinbergs Midex 8 Midi USB Interface. I use it with Ableton Live to control Noah and 2x Emu samplers and my Yamaha S80 synth and it works very well within the Ableton environment. Needless to say it also works well for Cubase.

Look for the Midex at Ebay - I got mine at a very good price.

Neb

[ARCADIOS]

well, i see that in my case, scope pro+pulsar2 the midi ios are fine since they controll scopes modules and stay within scopes environment.
the scope midi source to seqencer midi dest is a big issue. and susbequently seq midi source to .. whatever

scopes midi is fast and responsive only when controlling scopes modules or directly a soflware synth.
but not synths that are used as vsts within software sequencers.

the midi source... dest.... connections have latency.
usb midi controlers are faster for any vst within a software sequencer.
i guess that there is the pci bandwith of theoritical 133 mb/sec botleneck

[Jah Servant]

check here, http://forums.planetz.com/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=26896
this is a solution for cubase hopefully you have a similar setting on your software

[valis]

It sounds to me like Ableton is seeing the directsound/emulated driver for Scope, something that has been an issue with sequencers in the past. I vaguely recall reading about this on the Ableton forums but can't recall the fix (though for some reason I can recall the fix for Cubase/Nuendo versions prior to v4).

I'd dig into the Ableton forums and figure out how to change the software stack that Live is using to access Scope's driver. There's nothing wrong with the Scope driver itself imo that would cause what you describe.