Creamware need to get serious on this topic. Creamware hones

dxl · Post by **dxl** » Tue Apr 02, 2002 2:03 am

no i don't wana F waste that money
i do all this for hoping seeing improvement on creamware, and for people interested in creamware platform.

King of Snake · Post by **King of Snake** » Tue Apr 02, 2002 4:02 am

On 2002-04-01 20:52, dxl wrote:
okok
u are again, wana protect it, coz ur studio is using it, you want people to think you are using really good name. oh well.

Ah yes, we are all in denial! We all just kiss CW ASS just because we spent a lot of money on their system. EVEN THOUGH IN OUR HEARTS WE KNOW CW SUCKS WE STILL KEEP BUYING THEIR PRODUCTS! Therefore it is always so painful when DXL comes in and speak out LOUD what everyone is THINKING!

Even though your point about honesty is moderately interesting, I've seen engough of your "discussions" to know that frankly you don't give a shit what we think of it, you just want people to say "yes dxl, you're right, you're always right."

It's so obvious from your answer which I quoted, someone give his opinion and you go "you just say that because....yaddayaddayadda"

You are so predictable....and tiresome.

Post by **hubird** » Tue Apr 02, 2002 4:50 am

my great fear is that the guy will disturb our pleasure when we discuss the new SFP version, by posting on every forum his endless and useless chaos.
I like a joker in the house, but he even can't handle a 1 april joke (a good one, Bosone)
It's not funny, he a virus.

[ This Message was edited by: hubird on 2002-04-02 04:58 ]

caleb · Post by **caleb** » Tue Apr 02, 2002 5:06 am

Yes I know King of.. in another forum he made a claim that I obviously worked for Creamware because I said I didn't want to succumb to hysterical negative reviews of the platform.

And DXL, if you are going to argue against what I said, that's fine - I don't mind, but that was quite possibly the most unintelligent counter argument I have ever seen in my life.

And as for "remarking quite a few people" with my comment on people mindlessly buying expensive equipment because of advertising alone - So? Your point?

The only thing more stupid than making a purchase like that is to spend all your time whinging about it in a forum of satisfied users blaming the big bad Creamware but still idiotically professing to be doing it "for the greater good" of the platform.

You've obviously had a rotten experience dealing with Creamware's customer service as I suppose other people have. But I can imagine why. If you come across to them the way you do on this forum I'm surprised they talk to you at all.

Now you mention the other two cards UAD and TCPowercore and they both sound like really good cards, but what I've heard about them isn't 100% positive either - even the famous compressors on the UAD card. I would not be surprised if there were some similarly disappointed customers on those platforms. Do you own these cards DXL? If so, are you happy with them? If not, how do you know you would be? Were you making the same claims about the Pulsar card before you purchased it?

You're bummed out about not purchasing the Oasys and yet it's a card that went under. What would you be saying about their support now - their lack of driver support for 2000 and XP? Would you have been any more impressed with that card than the one you've got now?

Everyone's upset that they haven't bought the goose that lays the golden eggs. There is no goose - there are no golden eggs. Well not in a soundcard or synth or sequencer anyway.

astroman · Post by **astroman** » Tue Apr 02, 2002 4:11 pm

maybe DXL is collecting all those nice replies for a book to be published

or is it to advertise his MP3 stuff

be honest DXL, you're kind of a DEALER

dxl · Post by **dxl** » Tue Apr 02, 2002 5:34 pm

i do tried the UAD-1 and TC
but they suffer from the latency, which it will double the latency of the current ASIO setting, but they sound good. and they give technical (especially in UAD-1)support of which mother will cause problem, how the latency occure, how to solve. etc. and you can find those info easily.

and here is bout the honesty problem, not other off topic stuff, am i off track?
i aint said creamware's stuff are bad.

dxl · Post by **dxl** » Tue Apr 02, 2002 5:45 pm

On 2002-04-02 04:50, hubird wrote:
my great fear is that the guy will disturb our pleasure when we discuss the new SFP version, by posting on every forum his endless and useless chaos.
I like a joker in the house, but he even can't handle a 1 april joke (a good one, Bosone)
It's not funny, he a virus.

[ This Message was edited by: hubird on 2002-04-02 04:58 ]

so predictable who will replay agressively on this fourm. you are very unfriendly! good for you, keep on going if you want to. say more one every of ur post, not just one or two worlds or two sentence.

sorry for that you first. i said you nothing.

Post by **garyb** » Tue Apr 02, 2002 6:12 pm

dxl is a mrtyr who suffers in silence (or not) because he is misunderstood.(he wants to HELP)

tampons are needed..........

dxl · Post by **dxl** » Tue Apr 02, 2002 9:57 pm

at last:
is this request on more info of creamware product not legal?
disregar the other DSP card, other keybaord, or even some tridional instruments have some spec.
if you are again $@#$@, just want to make creamware look good on every perspective. ok!

Immanuel · Post by **Immanuel** » Tue Apr 02, 2002 10:55 pm

I think it is a natural part of most people, that they to some extend like ballance. I think, this is very much, what is happening here.

DXL acts more displeased with CW, than he actually is, because he thinks peoples contendness is a hazard to the platform.

(most of) The rest of the PlanetZiticens can not overlook these often very huge assaults at CW comming from DXL. And as they too want ballance, they go in countermode (simply, because it takes 10 to come up with, what 1 (DXL) is putting out).

Actually, I do believe good points are made from both sides.
I also believe, it is easyer to hear each others points, if the discussion is not pushed to an edge (like it often is, when DXL joins in).

I do not think, CW programmers will do their jobs better, because they feel someone is mad at them. Actually it is my experience, that people work much better (and are happyer), when confronted with possitive progressive feedback like:

"I would like to see this changed in this way (giving an actual description/idea), to make this gear that i own - and thereby like (if I didn't, I would sell it)".

Rather than:

"I do not like the userinterface (giving no inputs/inspiration/ideas)" on this peace of beta-crap.

The first example will give most people a feel of pleasedness - but at the same time motivate them to cary on with new energy.

The second example on the other hand will stress them ("how to do it right, we try our best but get nthing but complaints"). It might very well also irritate them, and most people (and animal) tend to go "opposite", when feeling picked on.

This is by no means ment as an assault to ANYONE - I'm just sharing my reflections. If just one person (no matter who), get anything out of this, then it is worth the annoyance for those, who do not.

Immanuel

Post by **garyb** » Wed Apr 03, 2002 12:07 am

that was super absorbant(er observant).....

peace.

caleb · Post by **caleb** » Wed Apr 03, 2002 12:57 am

Hi DXL,

When you said you have tried UAD and TC Powercore, do you mean you actually owned them and had need of their support? Is your experience of their superior support first hand?

I just think when you are having a bad time with certain elements of a product (eg support), you tend to project a "grass is always greener" mentality on to the competing products that you tended not to purchase.

I think this is a natural attitude to have in these circumstances. I still remember the hell I gave Hoontech for a while over one of their sound cards which I'm quite embarrassed about now.

The thing is, I was doing the "everything native" solution and I had nothing but problems. There were a lot of factors involved in this - me being one of the largest. Once I realised how much responsibility was on ME to make the solution work, I started thinking that you just bite the bullet and choose a platform - preferably one that helps you work more creatively because that's the name of the game.

This kind of decision takes sacrifices. I will not use a USB device on my Pulsar system period. I will not connect the computer to the internet. I will not have games on it. I will not have anything other than music/audio software on it.

Then I'll find out where the best advice and information is regarding the platform and how to make it work for me....PlanetZ and the person who set me up with the system.

I don't go to the Creamware site much - not really interested in what they have to say. I'm more interested in what someone like subhuman has to say.

subhuman - how should I be configuring my hardware? Well, Caleb this is how you get the most out of your Pulsar card for your setup.....

And then you follow the advice.

I don't expect Pulsar to answer all my prayers or even half of them. I expect limitations - I've never used a product that wasn't limited in some way. I find Creamware is definitely a limited device - no argument.

But as throughout the history of music both successful and otherwise, the secret is to use limitations to your advantage.

The greatest asset for a musician is to have an instrument that has become like an extension of themselves - whether it be an effect unit, a synthesiser, an oboe or a mixing desk. Make it yours - make it personal - and make music!

Compared to Pulsar, I find a piano rather limited in so many ways but played by a maestro I don't think that for a second. But if I wanted the ultimate piano I would buy on reputation, my own testing if possible, opinions and not on how long the piano can last before retuning.

Again, I've never disagreed with your desire to have more information published, just in the manner in which you ask for it.

Is the Pulsar underpowered? This is the question that begs to be asked and answered when you post statements about statistics and honesty.

Is the Pulsar underpowered????

That is the root question underlying any further anger about dishonesty and advertising practices and lack of sufficient information to make 'informed' decisions.

I throw it out to everyone. Is the Pulsar underpowered????

For me - I notice its lack of power when I try to do certain things, so for me I would definitely say that it is not overpowered.

Do I have to make some compromises while working with Pulsar because of a "power issue". Yes - I do. I freely admit that. But I'm yet to use a musical tool that does not force me into a whole string of compromises - some of which are far more expensive than the Pulsar and actually achieve much less.

Do I find that the compromises I make are unreasonable for the cost of the card? Well, if I was under the illusion that I was not going to have to make compromises, I guess I would have been disappointed. But who would be stupid enough to think a tool was going to make it all easy. Who would imagine that you are going to be able to do everything without constraint. Sounds like Nirvana to me, not a musical tool.

I hope you're making good music despite the problems you are experiencing DXL.

King of Snake · Post by **King of Snake** » Wed Apr 03, 2002 1:02 am

if you are again $@#$@, just want to make creamware look good on every perspective. ok!

Here you go again DXL.
"You don't agree with my far-fetched opinions? You must be a Creamware employee who kisses CW ass all day." It's the only reply you can come up with if someone disagrees with you. This is not about the "legality" of your opinions. Of course they are legal, wether their relevant or well argumented is another case. As Immanual wisely pointed out, there are better ways to have a discussion and achieve change instead of always taking the ultra-negative approach. There are other opinions than YOUR opinions and they are not always wrong! If you would just understand that I would be happy to have discussions with you as I would with all the other members of this forum.

dxl · Post by **dxl** » Wed Apr 03, 2002 1:14 am

you people are off topic already!!

oh cabel:
i don't own those two card, but i tried the demo in store, (they have powercore and UAD-1 but no pulsar which the office isn't far away.) ok too far.
you guess you did not even read my reply clearly, i said you can see the support page on their website for that product clearly and easily.

yes, i'm a bit negative, yet many of you are not realistic, or over optimistic? that is how i feel.

just think if you are the one who don't know anyting about creamware and interested with it, would it be nice for the public to know MORE about it? my manner , ha you should say your perception on me makes you said so.

subhuman he is great, he is really helping people alot, but every creamware users knows him?

i don't know what u trying to say for the rest of your words.
however, why we need to compromises? the ad and the sells said it's power full, it's a full studio, you can do everything!! (but not at once.)

anyway.
King of Snake
i do understand. yet, it's not always true for all the time. (see the email replay status from creamware?) and i aint wrong most of the time, just so streight, hurting.
many of you keep saying it a good Synth!! it's a great sampler!! or tell me to use a time wasting and require more IQ's way to make music, yes creamware should call it, a full studio tool but use one or two tool at at a time. ha!
yes, i do have that negitiv perception toward creamware, just like many pulsar geek rrepresentives towards me which fler up in this thread again!! but my questioning is legal and nothing worng.
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Xantia · Post by **Xantia** » Wed Apr 03, 2002 1:49 am

Yo DXL, I've got 2 CW board's and a UAD.
I like them both.
If I had make a choice between either of them
it would be Pulsar everytime.
For the money it does a lot more than the UAD.

dxl · Post by **dxl** » Wed Apr 03, 2002 2:23 am

uAD-1 IS 400usd CHEAPER
I DIDN'T SAID pulsar aint good, read the topic again!!

caleb · Post by **caleb** » Wed Apr 03, 2002 5:54 am

Ah DXL. I it's not that I don't read your posts clearly, it's that you don't write them clearly. However, point taken. You are saying something different to what I thought you were saying about UAD etc..

However, I'm not off topic at all. I'm right on it. I'm making the statement that this running around and dragging up this example and that example of supposedly more honest behaviour smacks of "grass is always greener" syndrome. I won't repeat everything else I added to it because it was quite clear the first time.

Not all Creamware users know subhuman, that's true. Actually I don't know him from a bar of soap either, but as far as I'm concerned, if I'm going to buy a piece of equipment like this it is my responsibility to find out who to talk to. We are responsible for our own purchases to a large extent.

I'm not saying it wouldn't be lovely for Creamware to fulfill all the desires we have of them. Would have been nice for them to fly out here and set up the card in my computer as well.

"the ad and the sells said it's power full, it's a full studio, you can do everything!! (but not at once.) "

Now this is what never fails to amuse me. I mean if you are going to have a go about false advertising you didn't even need to purchase the card to go off about this statement. I mean WHERE'S THE MICROPHONE! It's definitely missing a microphone! Where the hell is it? I mean it said it was a studio in a card, so there should be at least one microphone in it shouldn't there?

And no matter where I look I can't find the session guitarist, the backup vocalists. Oh what! You mean I have to provide this stuff myself.

SHAME ON YOU CREAMWARE - FALSE ADVERTISING!

And this leads on to the point you missed about compromise. It actually does offer a studio on a soundcard.....but with compromise. As you said "not at once" and it seems minus microphones, musicians and other trinkets.

You know I read that sales pitch too. And in fact, I even read several reviews which lauded this card and re-stated "This really is a studio on a soundcard". And it spoke to me of some wonderful possibilities. However, did I for a second think it was going to literally be the recording studio I had in my head? Of course I didn't - it's a soundcard! I knew that I was going to have to make a compromise between the fantasy that the advertising had put in my head and the reality of the product once I received it because I have never found any product that didn't involve a compromise!!

A real recording studio given to me for free would involve many compromises nevermind a soundcard.

Now if you're right about Creamware support by the way, then I think that's a shame. I've never dealt with Creamware directly so I certainly can't offer an opinion about their support. It would certainly disappoint me to think that a product that I love is made by a company that has bad customer service.

However, unlike what you seem to imply about us happy customers, I would not actually deny the possibility of Creamware being a bunch of rude assholes. Just like I would never deny that my favourite actor or actress could be a prick in real life. I try to live my life not suffering from too many illusions.

As I said in my last post - do I feel sometimes that the Pulsar is underpowered for what I'm trying to do at the time? Yes.

Do I feel cheated by it? No, because I didn't attach the fantasies in my head generated by a one line advertising slogan to my understanding of what was going to be delivered. I think I got what I paid for.

Incidentally DXL, if Creamware did advertise these statistics you were talking about - would you still have bought the card?

And if you did would you be looking for another way of implying that Creamware cheated you with their "dishonest" policies? I mean there's still the issue of the missing microphone and everything.

dxl · Post by **dxl** » Wed Apr 03, 2002 6:47 pm

yes, i know what u are talking about before posting it.
it's all bout the easier way to get money.
it could ends up on the court if some one have the money and time.

anyway, the ones who will fight for creamware are alway you 10~15 people.

let the public see!
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caleb · Post by **caleb** » Wed Apr 03, 2002 11:31 pm

Yes it's always us 10-15 people fighting for Creamware. How many against? One. You do the math.

Take Creamware to court? That truly is ridiculous, but please let it be you DXL. I could do with a laugh.

King of Snake · Post by **King of Snake** » Thu Apr 04, 2002 7:05 am

On 2002-04-03 18:47, dxl wrote:
it's all bout the easier way to get money.
it could ends up on the court if some one have the money and time.

anyway, the ones who will fight for creamware are alway you 10~15 people.

let the public see!

You are getting more rediculous every time you post! Go to court? I guess we can take EVERY COMPANY THAT SELLS A PRODUCT to court because of their advertising. Should we take shampoo companies to court because their product doesn't make our hair as nice and shiny as the models in the advertising? No because if we beleived for a second that it would actually do exactly as it does in the advertising we could just as well throw ourselves off a cliff for sheer stupidity. The shampoo makes my hair clean, that's what I buy it for, not to look like a supermodel who just came from the hairstylist.
Same with Pulsar, if would sell your complete studio (including mics and artists

) and bought a Pulsar just because it was advertised as being a "complete studio on a card", well....the cliff seems the only answer for that.
For a purchase like this I think you should do at least some research yourself and if you post a question about CW products on any audio-related internet forum, there's almost always someone who will redirect you to planetZ. Yes it would be better if CW had a big link on their site but I don't think they are in any way dishonest by not having it.
And after you've done that bit of research you will have discovered that a single Pulsar will not take over the duties of a complete studio of gear, but you will also have discovered that it can serve very well as a basis for a studio and a very flexible and expandable one as well.

Maybe I'm over optismistic, but hey I've had my Pulsar for over two years now and never had much problems and it still amazes me at times. I was so happy with it I even bought a Powersampler and a Luna I/O which are obth very good as well.
I want to see the platform get eve better just as much as you do and if I see a problem with it I'm really not going to hide it or deny it just because I spent a lot of money on the system, on the contrary.
I just don't see how accusing CW of dishonesty is going to make the platform better. As has been said, if you really feel cheated by advertising, I really think it's your own fault rather than CW's. You can't fault them for trying to sell their system. It's not like they are lying to you. They just won't tell you the downsides of the product, which from a marketing/company point of view would be a very stupid thing to do anyway. And you can find out yourself by doing research.
Yes of course CW wants to make money, that's not to say that they don't want to make a good music product as well. A better product will mean more sales after all (well, hopefully at least).