smooth modulateable delay

[the19thbear]

Hi! i'm looking for an old delay without zippers in the feedback and speed path
netron wrote:
http://www.planetz.com/forums/viewtopic ... 30&t=25549
"There was supposedly at some point a smooth modulateable delay from one of the early DP devs, i cant remember who, maybe it was orbitone."

You old pulsar people, do you remember anything??
thanks!!!

[Warp69]

Hi! i'm looking for an old delay without zippers in the feedback and speed path
netron wrote:
http://www.planetz.com/forums/viewtopic ... 30&t=25549
"There was supposedly at some point a smooth modulateable delay from one of the early DP devs, i cant remember who, maybe it was orbitone."

You old pulsar people, do you remember anything??
thanks!!!

Obsidian AnaFX?

[the19thbear]

hmmmm.. i searched the net. i cant find it anywhere...


maybe his homemade atoms made it possible to do things without the zipper effect:
http://news.harmony-central.com/Newp/20 ... olBox.html

where/how can i contact this guy?

thanks!

[irrelevance]

Sorry I don't have an answer but wasn't Obsidian the developer who moved into the Gforce vst suff?

Also Wolf did mention that he looked into such a device but the dsp load was to great.

[the19thbear]

i read that he might have gone into the fxpansion plugins.. who know.

[Warp69]

The developer was very active here : http://launch.groups.yahoo.com/group/pu ... roup&slk=3 - we all were.

The days before PlanetZ............. 1999

[darkrezin]

He dropped out of Scope development a long time ago.. I stopped using his stuff because the DSP files caused big problems being in the Scope DSP folder. He did 1 or 2 VST plugins but that was ages ago and someone else seems to be using the website address (blackstonesoftware.com) now. No idea what he's up to now.

BTW Planet Z went all funky. Pretty cool

[MD69]

µYep! bunch of good guys there. That's where I learned about my STS4000!

[darkrezin]

Just a note on how the delay worked (AnaDelay) - as far as I know it changed the sample rate. A cool effect but ultimately quite digital sounding and not the creamy smoothness of an analog delay.

My advice - get an analog delay pedal or rackmount, they are really cheap, sound like nothing in the digital world and are lots of fun BBD delays react much faster (very fast!) to delay time changes than a tape delay if this is the thing you're looking for. Tape delays are great in their own way for creamy psychedelic madness.

[the19thbear]

I have both a space echo re301 and dynacord vrs analog delay. amazing things!
and now... i want a scope version as well!! yes i'm greedy!
the thing is, i really like the sound of the sc stuff, but i change parameters alot in my music, and i hate zipping..
this goes for reverbs as well!

[Shroomz~>]

19thbear, you're obsessed with this zipper noise thing !! ... & Rightly so..

[the19thbear]

yes i indeed am
its the only thing that really bugs me about scope..

[dawman]

I share your opinions also, but I had a delay like you speak of when we leased a key-tech's Scope DP DAW. He was w/ the management company and quite knowledgable w/ DSP atoms, etc. I think he was banned from here actually, as we ended up banning him also. He was such a jerk and condescending to everyone around. But he recorded us live w/ VDAT, and was an incredibly talented chap, but just unbareable to be around, and a liar/rat/bitch.

His emulated Prime Time was an ugly looking but awesome delay, and it ate the DSP's at an alarming rate. So this is not a Scope fault, but rather a DSP choice I believe. He had some really excellent stuff I have never seen here, and claimed to work for the stars in his last life.

I know this can and will be done, someone with a developers tools and time to develope it is what it takes. I assume this can be done in all time based effects, and I would like a reverb like this. I bet it won't be cheap, but then again I am not cheap when it comes to quality. That particular delay took 30-40 percent of a 45 DSP meter !! But it had 4 delay lines and was smooth and real 12bit tails like a Model 93 PrimeTime Lexicon.

Darkrezin...Your avatar is the Herbie Hancock Thrust LP cover as he flies over the ancient city of Machupichu in Peru !! My all time favorite album. No one here probably ever heard the synths and Rhodes on that fine recording, but many great sounds and tricks from that LP like wah-wah clavinet on Actual Proof, bi-directional portamento synth lines on an ARP 2600S, etc. A great many tricks can be learned just by buying that CD. Excellent avatar....excellent.

I want the synth inside of his ship !!

[darkrezin]

Yep, great album. I don't have any favourites though - Thrust, Man-Child, Secrets, Crossings, Mwandishi and Sextant are all essential!

[astroman]

...Darkrezin...Your avatar is the Herbie Hancock Thrust LP cover as he flies over the ancient city of Machupichu in Peru !! ...

you see that mountain ridge in the background covered by a small cloud ?
the beginning of the trailer of the Herzog movie Aguirre - The Wrath of God shows a small part of it in real life. The scene was shot at exactly that location and is one of the most impressive zooms I ever happened to view in a movie. That huge mountain coming closer and closer and finally revealing those people - tiny like ants.
Unfortunately the zoom itself didn't make it to the trailer. Here's a still part

on topic - though I don't have the slightest idea if this is a workable solution in any way...
the request is about accelerating a tape delay, which essentially means just an increase of the sample rate - with all artifacts like pitch-shifting etc included.
This should be much easier to implement, than an emulation of the afforementioned Lexicon...

cheers, Tom

[dawman]

That's good news,

The Lexi emu was sweet but hardly worth the DSP used, that's why I didn't use it live. It was that or a Bowen synth that had to go. I am sure you know what choice I made.

Kinda funny it really pissed this guy off that I said I didn't want to use it, so when I caved in and said O.K., I made a project keeping Prowave and getting rid of Solaris, then showed him the Oberheims on the truck w/ their Anvils and said, oh...almost forgot, you gotta set those up to replace the Solaris, the M12 / XPander combo. Naturally he whined and pissed and moaned while he did it. Then I said to keep doing that nightly, as we were doing 4 out of 7 nights as the opening act. As I suspected he agreed that having Solaris was the best option available.......what a sniveling bone rack.

He is the only Oriental man I ever met that I despised, and it gave me great pleasure to give him 2 checks 3 months early.

I bet you being a Bavarian kinda' guy would love to climb Machupichu 'eh?

My Peruvian friend brought me back many trinkets and postcards of it as I have also enjoyed it's splendor. The air is so thin at that altitude it must be a rough hike.

[astroman]

a bit hazy, but it might be the same

it really is the same, as the original shot opens wide enough to recognize the famous scenery of the picture Jimmy posted.
One totally underestimates the dimensions of that peak in the background from the well-known postcard view...
Anyway - a great movie

cheers, Tom

[the19thbear]

astroman:
on topic - though I don't have the slightest idea if this is a workable solution in any way...
the request is about accelerating a tape delay, which essentially means just an increase of the sample rate - with all artifacts like pitch-shifting etc included.
This should be much easier to implement, than an emulation of the afforementioned Lexicon...
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that sound like a good idea... i know it wont sound liek an analog delay, but it would still be interesting!
is there any modular module that allows you to smoothly increase the samplerate??'
i dont have SDK, and if i did have it, i probably woulnd know how to use it

so... anybody out there, feel free to make this

and.... the next step for SC should be to make it possible to do everything without zippers!

[Immanuel]

And do you plan to have your Scope system do anything else, while the sample rate throttles up and down?

[the19thbear]

YES! i will put EVERYTHING! thought that thing and mess up everything!!

no... if you could make ONE device that does this.. it shouldn affect the system! like haveing one reverb running doesnt srecw up everything else..