Subhuman... why did you pick Logic over VST?

braincell · Post by **braincell** » Mon Mar 11, 2002 9:20 am

How do you like the way logic handles grooves? I'm not to happy with Cubase for this.

braincell · Post by **braincell** » Mon Mar 11, 2002 9:26 am

What's the main difference between logic audio gold and platinum? Which should I get?

kimgr · Post by **kimgr** » Tue Mar 12, 2002 5:02 am

http://www.emagic.de/english/products/l ... mpare.html

Kim.

darkrezin · Post by **darkrezin** » Tue Mar 12, 2002 9:29 am

On 2002-03-11 09:20, braincell wrote:
How do you like the way logic handles grooves? I'm not to happy with Cubase for this.

Basically Logic has a list of quantize values in the left-hand pane of the arrange/matrix (matrix=key edit for Steinberg people). You can select a sequence (part), or one or more notes inside a sequence, and apply these quantize values to it. The default ones are a variety of very useable swing-type values. The awesome thing, however, is that you can have Logic create new ones out of midi-files (for example twiddly-bits midi breakbeats and such) and, since the program can create midi sequences by analysing audio files, you can even apply the quantizing feel of any drum-loop you have in your posession. These new quantize values are added to your arsenal of quantize settings in the left-hand pane.

The quantize values you put on a sequence/bunch of notes is non-destructive - i.e. it acts like a kind of realtime plugin on the MIDI data.

Hope this helps.

peace

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King of Snake · Post by **King of Snake** » Tue Mar 12, 2002 1:09 pm

I think Cubase does this too (groove extracting) but I'm not sure, I never use grooves

King of Snake · Post by **King of Snake** » Tue Mar 12, 2002 3:10 pm

Just saw this: http://www.funkelectric.com/cubase_sx.jpg

Seems like a completely rewritten Cubase will be shown at the Musikmesse. Well, with Logic 5 and all, they really didn't have much choice but to listen to the users and rewrite the whole thing. Looks like another big boost for the virtual studio concept.

valis · Post by **valis** » Wed Mar 13, 2002 2:32 pm

anyone notice the similarity to Nuendo in the screenshots? The automation, track layout, part editor, etc. Minor cosmetic differences but man...

ohmelas · Post by **ohmelas** » Fri Mar 29, 2002 1:01 pm

Hey Guys,

[he gets gooshy and nostalgic]

I came into Cubase from Cakewalk. I could not stand working with windows .wav drivers any longer for professional and sanity reasons. The new Sonar just came out and I thought that would solve my problems. I was wrong and immediately looked for something else. Something that would let me record, use my new expensive cards and make the music I longed to make. I was tired of talking about fixing my computer and I wanted to make some music.

I looked at Logic and felt that the buying decision for me was did it work as in ASIO functionality and how would that directly integrate into my new Creamware cards that I just mortgaged part of my life savings on. Remember XTC was coming out and only would work on Cubase initally.

Cubase was the foundation company for VST and ASIO--the two dominant technologies in audio and unknowning I felt that even though my friends were telling me Logic was better I still wanted to be a little different too.

The competitive $199 upgrade to 5.0 sealed the deal. I was hooked and finally had a working system! AHHHHH.

Fede · Post by **Fede** » Sat Mar 30, 2002 5:56 am

What I can't understand is people who say Logic is difficult/unlogic....
You just use it like a tape multitracker: record/play/stop/pause
like a mixer with inserts fx and eqs
where is the difficulty?!!!!!
It works immediately! At first time!
Not 3 thousands windows & panels with thousands settings spread everywhere like in Cubase
Then if you want to handle it in a more pro way, you can also learn how to use Logic Environment and advanced functions, so RTFM the same way you should do with Cubase

Regards
StratF

darkrezin · Post by **darkrezin** » Sat Mar 30, 2002 6:32 am

I think it has something to do with the fact that a lot of people use cracks to at least evaluate a program. Cubase has always had PDF files of the manuals (rather an insult to people who buy the program) whereas Logic has always had a printed manual (great for people who buy it). Of course, you can easily see which program is gonna be better for the warez crowd - Cubase with its PDFs rather than Logic with its lack of online documentation (which, incidentally is no longer the case with v5, which has good documentation in windows Help format).

Just for the record - I also evaluated Logic with a crack before buying it - and I worked out how to use it without a manual.. it's not rocket science. All you need to put in is a bit of effort...

or am I totally off the mark here?

peace

jupiter8 · Post by **jupiter8** » Sat Mar 30, 2002 9:30 am

If Rammstein works with Logic so will i.
End of story.

braincell · Post by **braincell** » Thu Apr 11, 2002 1:24 pm

I'm switching to Logic because of the MIDI. Cubase doesn't have swing a function that even the most basic drum machines have, also the groove editor in Cubase seems difficult to use and doesn't sound musical.