8 BUSS DSP Hardware Effects Unit

[Casey]

Chris -

I'm in the other Cambridge, (I should clarify that in my profile) but I did see the SOS review. Paul was far too kind.

So how did you get along with the M7?

I'm asuming since it went back that it wasn't what you were looking for? Or was this just on loan for a demo?

-Casey

[chriskorff]

Hi Casey,

It was just a loan model for the review - unfortunately we don't ge to keep the review models! I think SCV were quite keen to get it back as well, so I didn't get to hear it myself

Cheers!

Chris

[dawman]

I have read many reviews from SOS over the years.

I bought my Oberheim MC3000 from reading that review. It was a very accurate and enjoyable review.

I pay little attention to the soft synth reviews, or anything from Yamaha, Roland etc.

But a review on the Model 7 from Bricasti?

That's a mag I shall go and buy tonight.

[Music Manic]

Hey Warp is still around?

i thought you gave up for Scope?

I think Jimmy is keeping this board more alive that Sonicore

[Warp69]

Gave up Scope? Never. And besides that - Im using the Scope platform for all of my development.

Hey Warp is still around?

i thought you gave up for Scope?

I think Jimmy is keeping this board more alive that Sonicore

[wayne]

Gave up Scope? Never. And besides that - Im using the Scope platform for all of my development.

Happy to hear it, in every way

Can i re-plug your plugs? - Gang, if you ain't got P100, A100, CD100, I100, get 'em. Flagship stuff

[dawman]

Since I got the P35 chipset I am gonna make the jump w/ the A100 / P100 combo.

Warp says it's the PCM91 that was used as the model, cool.

I will never get rid of the PCM91, but have already started to unload other hardware reverbs.

I only need 2 instances of DSP reverb to my live rig for the mix I desire, the PCM91 will use it's lush halls, and the A100 / P100 will add the other flavors of space required.

It will be like having 3 x Lexicon PCM91's running live. ......YES !!

Sadly most listeners other than a few will notice the beautiful additions, but I will, and that's what makes me want to keep gigging. My rig must sound awesome to me on stage or I become stale.

What happens when I finally reach Nirvana and cannot possibly get it to sound any better...? Well I will go woodshed and compose even more songs, so the sick cycle of my addictions will continue.

Or I will get a Model 7 from Bricasti and further retreat into my cocoon /. self-made heaven.

[Warp69]

Hi Jimmy,

You should seriously consider the M7 - you cant compare the unit to the PCM91. After you have tried the M7 - you wont be using your Lexicon that much.

Lets make a test - do you have any wave files, so we could make a comparison? I'll supply the M7, 480L, QRS and the ADR68K sound - you supply the PCM91. Others could join.

What do you say?

Cheers

[astroman]

the A100 is a great teamplayer
yesterday I had my Hoyer semi-acoustic through Ingo's little amp, Celmo's TapeSim into the A100 (at 6m). What a sound

cheers, Tom

[dawman]

Tape Sim and A100. Cool.

I see I am not the only sick man.

[hifiboom]

Hi Jimmy,

You should seriously consider the M7 - you cant compare the unit to the PCM91. After you have tried the M7 - you wont be using your Lexicon that much.

Lets make a test - do you have any wave files, so we could make a comparison? I'll supply the M7, 480L, QRS and the ADR68K sound - you supply the PCM91. Others could join.

What do you say?

Cheers

warp, this is a great idea.

Would be very nice to hear the units with different samples sounds.

Will you accept some wave files from me too?

(I can also offer hosting the samples for others easy listening)

[Warp69]

Would be very nice to hear the units with different samples sounds.

Will you accept some wave files from me too?

Ofcourse.

We should have some basic rules, like:

* Full spectrum mono file (or stereo file where the left channel is identical to the right) through both channels.
* Use of lossless format 44KHz - .wav
* Only Hall/Room presets
* Clearly defined parameter range, like: size=30m / rt60 = 3.2 sec / rolloff = 4.5KHz etc

Other suggestions?

Cheers

[hifiboom]

jep, good points.

regarding the parameters for size and decay, I guess they all have slightly different results. So I would say, the parameters should be retweaked to get similar results to some sort of reference file.... (f.e. could be a 480L preset)

we could start with a very very short white noise burst to check the full spectrum response.
good for checking ER into LR blending, density and buildup. and then some real world stuff like some drum sounds, vocal, pad.

what do you think?

[Warp69]

Hi,

@Hifiboom - I modified your files slightly for this test.

Right now - only 2 of the mentioned reverbs.

Hall preset - rt60 = 3.2 sec, Size = Medium to large, Rolloff = 3.5KHz.

Short noise burst :

www.relab.dk/reverb/1%20-%20short.wav
www.relab.dk/reverb/2%20-%20short.wav

Long noise burst:

www.relab.dk/reverb/1%20-%20long.wav
www.relab.dk/reverb/2%20-%20long.wav

I'll add more reverbs later.

Cheers

[Casey]

Anybody else ever notice how hard white noise is on the ears?

For me, one week of white noise testing = two weeks of recovery before my hearing is back to normal!

-Casey

[hifiboom]

Hi,

@Hifiboom - I modified your files slightly for this test.

Cheers

sounds good so far...

maybe you can post the modified dry signals also. Just as reference

@casey, depends on how long you do these tests I mean 1 or 2 hours are okay, longer stuff may result in serious brain damage.

But you may get into bigger trouble when you have a grilfriend and you explain her, that you have no time because you need to do noise burst tests the next 2 days. haha

[Warp69]

Short noise burst:

www.relab.dk/reverb/3%20-%20short.wav
www.relab.dk/reverb/4%20-%20short.wav

Long noise burst:

www.relab.dk/reverb/3%20-%20long.wav
www.relab.dk/reverb/4%20-%20long.wav

I dont believe in "which reverb is .........", so here goes:

1) Bricasti M7
2) Lexicon 480L HD
3) Quantec QRS
4) AKG ADR68K

Cheers

[Shroomz~>]

Warp, this is really good of you to post these, so thanks a lot. Any chance of posting the dry modified noise files?

[Warp69]

Warp, this is really good of you to post these, so thanks a lot. Any chance of posting the dry modified noise files?

@Shroomz & Hifiboom: here you go:

http://www.relab.dk/reverb/Short%20burst.wav
http://www.relab.dk/reverb/Long%20burst.wav


I would also appreciate real sound files

[hifiboom]

warp, very much thanks for these demos...
Honestly, I think it was a great idea to do such a test,
not to find something like a "winner", but just have an objective reference of what these units can do.


no surprise, I have to say all units sound very good!
While the differences between the units may be desrcibed as "diffenrent flavour", I think the Quanteq falls a bit behind the rest sounding a bit more unpleasing, its fluttering a bit especially can be heard in the short impulse sample .... (now I really think the strength of the QRS is big halls with long tails, and regarding parameters its no "allrounder" like the others, so its a special unit anyways)


whereas the M7 sounds smoother and more subtile and the AKG and Lexicon more "opened" in the tail area.
IMO all units mark up a simlar or equal high quality level.

very nice.

btw is this 100% wet? I guess yes, but my ear may fool me... as its just a white noise snippet.

yes lets put in some real world sounds...