flexor 3 hardware mini-modular

spoimala · Post by **spoimala** » Sun Dec 30, 2007 4:35 am

What about a Muse Research Receptor, that would eat a Scope Pro card and run SCP 5.0...

Terrac · Post by **Terrac** » Thu Jan 24, 2008 3:39 pm

<Shroomz> wrote:Hard to say what a Scope Dream-Machine would be,

some suggestions....

how about a card with faster SHARC DSPs? 66mhz? c'mon

how about an external version of the card in an expansion chassis with PCI express, PCI, Firewire, or Cardbus interfaces so you could run it from a laptop, dektop, or OLPC (haha).

how about some dedicated memory on the card for plugins / sampling Ale' Capybara?

how about OS X support for their card?

how about some new atoms for the SDK (granular?)

and how about an advertising campaign and some US representation to sell more units, get a larger market share, and eventually have a more solid platform.

k. I am finished.

Terrac

astroman · Post by **astroman** » Thu Jan 24, 2008 4:03 pm

Terrac wrote:...how about a card with faster SHARC DSPs? 66mhz? c'mon ...

well, my apologies in advance to re-quote an old statement by myself, but ...

I once had to do a network documentation and for simplicity (production department on Macs and the administration on Windows) I choose Word with it's integrated drawing app from Office-97 on a 1GHZ, 512MB Pentium 3.
I should have known better...
On a 33MHZ Mac with just 32 MB of Ram I would have finished that job in about 25% of the time or even less.

this is not a joke and I'm not fooling you either - it's been several years, but you probably understand that this 'adventure' is burned into my non-erasable part of personal memory.
It wasn't a sophisticated technical drawing, just a scan of a floorplan and a few lines and symbols on top - I really didn't expect the logarithmic decrease of performance with progressing work

it's in the code, not in the clock

cheers, Tom
ps: SC will use faster chips in whatever comes after Solaris hardware...

dawman · Post by **dawman** » Thu Jan 24, 2008 4:08 pm

New hardware is something I look forward to. I could build Scope4live Jr. a little DAW, and I get the new stuff.

HUROLURA · Post by **HUROLURA** » Thu Jan 24, 2008 4:38 pm

The core DSP processor(s) of our scope card (and of the former NOAH), the ADSP 21065L KS240 running at 60 Mhz (analog devices 25$ budgetary price) seem to be still in production.
But it is the last element of thi serie which is still available.

I suspect that the core DSP of all the more recent hardware devices, ASB/klanbox and the new use-audio design ASX board and plugiator to be powered by an ADSP-21363KBCZ-1AA (analog devices under 20$ budgetary price) running at 160 MHz if I remember well.

Two of these last chips were able to run a 12-notes polyphony MINIMAX or PRO12 just like what was possible with a 10 old DSP NOAH Ex.

So this first step should prove that the progression can be evaluated by a factor 5 between these two creamware product genreations.

I guess new product like John Bowen SOLARIS and next generation SonicCore hardware would be powered by some even more powerfull DSP.

So we can hope for an even more powerfull platform as long as we can keep all we have now with some new extras

Terrac · Post by **Terrac** » Fri Jan 25, 2008 8:14 am

HUROLURA wrote: ADSP-21363KBCZ-1AA (analog devices under 20$ budgetary price) running at 160 MHz if I remember well.

wow, some of the best technical information I have ever read about the DSP's.
So, knowing that there is a 150Mhz version I looked for faster ones.

Digikey sells the ADSP-21363KBCZ-1AA-ND in biulk for $28 US per.

thats a 333mhz Analog Devices DSP. I wonder if it's compatible with instructions for the 60mhz version?

HUROLURA · Post by **HUROLURA** » Fri Jan 25, 2008 11:55 am

Terrac wrote:
HUROLURA wrote: I wonder if it's compatible with instructions for the 60mhz version?

From what I heard the answer is not directly. It is not as simple as copy/paste (as already mentionned by John Bowen during the SOLARIS project).

I think you have to rebuild the DSP code portion you want to re-use (if you are one of the SonicCore or inDSP developper

) to get it work. Then you can get the advantage of the enhancement between the 2 DSP versions the Scope/Noah one being of 2nd generation and the ASB/KlangBox/ASX/Plugiator being of the 3rd generation.

Moreother: part of code had already to be re-writen specifically for the NOAH because of the use of the PC/MAC host for some functions - there is no such Host in the NOAH.

I still feel that the ASB/Klangbox/ASX/Plugiator are a clever re-use of Scope technolgy to satisfy the need of non Scope addicted musician ...
The enhancement being the hardware controller user interface (OK except for the Klangboxes).
The drawback being the loss of flexibility with the device being dedicated to one only plug. The ASX/Plugiator are going one step further by being able to change from one plug to another among 8 maximum possible. This limitation is just a surprise to me being a NOAH ex Owner which already host 10 plugs most (looks like a regression but the target price just has nothing to do with what the price of the NOAH EX was).

I am still convince that an ADERN/SONICCORE hardware version of the Modular+Flexor would be a killer !!! The main trick would be the user interface but maybe the SOLARIS shows the direction to follow.

CheerZ