POLL: Should SC add some of the free devices in SCP 5 ?

next to nothing · Post by **next to nothing** » Fri Dec 07, 2007 7:47 pm

trust me, i hate to be the devils advocate on this one!

- devices supplied on a sonicCore package should be FULLY supported by SC themselves. there should be NO reason to market them selves with freely available devices if they cant support it in detail. they could supply a link to planet z, but to include devices in their setup would bring responsibility to them according to support.

- with all due respect to MCCY and Shroomz, this would lead to an excpectation of commercial support of a free plugin. i cant see how this is fair to any 3rd party developer as i cant see SC taking responsibility for it (please correct me if im wrong)

- I would totally endorse the idea of SC BUYING the commercial rights for some of the devices the developers in question has provided, but SHROOMZ, MCCY, and all other devs: remember that if your product is included in Scope 5, it will be considered a commercial plugin with commercial demands regarding support. i have NO idea why you would give this for free in a release, as i consider it more of a bonus coming here to planet Z. Bisniss wise its a dead end, trust me. Not that SC is gonna fool you, but you will meet a totally new market of DEMAND considering support.

im sorry, but unlesss you get paid and are able to set up a proper support team (for free?) your probably fucked.

my humble opinion.

And trust me Martin, You will all get the respect you deserve here. i find both of your and shroomz devices useful, and would pay for them if you set up a shop, as i bought JB, Spacef, wavelength devices.

you just need to understand what is DEMANDED of an official release.

MCCY · Post by **MCCY** » Sat Dec 08, 2007 3:33 am

Thanks piddi!

You're right of course, but I didn't think of relabeling them & putting them from the free status to an "official" one. Leave them, what they are: Free devices from planetz. Just give them as example-addon what is possible & what you find on planetz. The same would work with creamware-site-charts of the most usefull free devices. For me that would be the same.

I rather thought of a spotlight saying "Here you find devices from the planetz community. More is to be found there, but these are some highlights."
This would make people attract to scopes endless possibilities + attracting them to buy scope pro to get the sdk.
I think most people don't really understand the unbelievable potential of planetz - new customers will oversee them easily or get lost in their endless variety. So why not pointing a bit more precisely to some examples of that work without putting them under another license.
Just one hint: "You can get this & more when you visit planetz. The included devices are tested & seen as very usefull, but there is no responsibility or support taken for their funktionality."

I just wonder why not the full potential of scope should be brought to the new customers. I'd say this community is the best part with scope. Without the free stuff & SDK it would not have 1/2 value to me.

martin

hifiboom · Post by **hifiboom** » Sat Dec 08, 2007 5:46 am

I would prefer some sort of database system:

where developers could upload a free device, with a picture of it, a small description and a category which specifies the use of the plug-in, f.e
-midi tool
-synth
-compressor
-reverb
-.....

users can download the stuff and rate it after testing,

f.e.
------------------
rate this plug-in
1.........10 stars
------------------
voting count
f.e. 100 votings
------------------
and comments....
------------------

now you could sort the output by categories, alphabetically and depending on the quality of the votings.....
which would make it easy to find the most interesting plug-ins....

btw this could be an interesting indicator for soniccore analyst/marketing team

to see what people really want.

Post by **garyb** » Sat Dec 08, 2007 10:51 am

planetz already has that, a link would be all it would take.........

next to nothing · Post by **next to nothing** » Sat Dec 08, 2007 12:20 pm

a good sign of me being intoxicated is the sudden need to type certain words in capital letters.

Shroomz~> · Post by **Shroomz~>** » Sat Dec 08, 2007 3:36 pm

Gary, I have to disagree. I really like what Hifiboom was suggesting for device organization & although it would be a big project to undertake, maybe it's something that someone would be willing to create in the form of a new external resource for all Scope devices (not sure if Kylie had such a big project in mind). I think Hifiboom's suggestion of some sort of database system could be more along the lines of what you see over at KVR, where you've got all of the commercial & free devices sorted into device type sections, which can be filtered by whether they're free or commercial devices, filtered by company / developer name etc. The home page would ideally be an up to date News page with no bias between commercial & free releases. It's a really different concept to using the PlanetZ search facility for the devices forum here in it's current form. Also, I don't think that something like this would take anything away from PlanetZ, as you're always going to get devices posted on the device forum here & announcements made in the announcements forum.

Post by **hubird** » Sat Dec 08, 2007 4:39 pm

it would never hurt

and I like the idea of independency, a focussed parallel place on the net.

kylie · Post by **kylie** » Mon Dec 10, 2007 2:55 am

<Shroomz> wrote:Gary, I have to disagree. I really like what Hifiboom was suggesting for device organization & although it would be a big project to undertake, maybe it's something that someone would be willing to create in the form of a new external resource for all Scope devices (not sure if Kylie had such a big project in mind).

um, in fact, he hadn't

setting up a project like that would be beyond the knowledge I have this very moment. this does not necessarily have to remain like that. but I would have to rethink my strategy for several technical reasons, in addition to that. but the static resource I offered will be definitely possible. whether the transition to a more powerful system will be possible in future, well, I would rate it "undecided", so if the mentioned features are essential, this would involve way more time or another volunteer to jump in.
I for one prefer the kiss approach (keep it simple and stupid), combined with the possibility to edit some human readable text files. I'm not a programmer...

if that fits, I'm still on it.

-greetings, markus-

MCCY · Post by **MCCY** » Mon Dec 10, 2007 2:58 am

Seems we may have a project for 2008

Shroomz~> · Post by **Shroomz~>** » Mon Dec 10, 2007 8:28 am

hifiboom · Post by **hifiboom** » Mon Dec 10, 2007 4:06 pm

It would need some sort of of sql database system (asp, js), content managment system and a bigger sized webhost.

normally a device is between 400kb and 1MB, so hosting around 1000 devices would take ~600-700MB space.

now if a device will be downloaded up to 100 times a month, the traffic could be much higher, if you keep in mind that older plug-ins are downloaded less often, I guess 5-10GB traffic could be enough for a start.

maybe there is some kind of precoded database system for webtasks that we could use.

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