Scope cards Vs the Developers of Software

djsainz · Post by **djsainz** » Tue Nov 27, 2007 9:47 am

Its a shame how everything at this moment is going against this wonderful card, probably the best sounding and one of the most expensive soundcards in the music industry, yet some developers dont give this card its due recognition.

Not sure who to blame at the moment, Sonic Core because of its lack of drivers for Vista and OSX or the OS developers for not properly integrating backwards compatability for legacy hardware, but now Steingberg has decided to cut compatibilaty for Scope platform cards in their recent update of Cubase 4.1. How on earth can you disregard testing and quality assurance with such an important soundcard? it's not some generic mid to low end card or something very new! the card has been in the industry for sometime. The only way to get Scope and Cubase to work properly is to fiddle with settings constantly in order to gain some function.

rant over!

Mr Arkadin · Post by **Mr Arkadin** » Tue Nov 27, 2007 10:27 am

Well i don't know the issues, but knowing Steinberg i'd say they are the problem, not SonicCore (or even Creamware). i really have come to loathe them over a long period.

djsainz · Post by **djsainz** » Tue Nov 27, 2007 10:34 am

I totally agree that Steinberg is to blame for the compatibility issues with the Scope card, as it worked fine in version 4.0. But it disapoints me that to think Cubase brands its self to be the most widely used and professional production software there is for PC at least, makes me wonder on how serious and devious are these companies when bought by bigger corps.

Yamaha for Steinberg
Apple for Logic

next to nothing · Post by **next to nothing** » Tue Nov 27, 2007 11:00 am

well as they didnt even get ASIO up and running in the 4.1 update who can blame them? They probably have the shittiest beta testing group the world has ever seen in this price range, and combined with the worst support team ever, well, what can i say...

Dropping support for Scope cards probably wont mean anything, as long as they support ASIO.

hifiboom · Post by **hifiboom** » Tue Nov 27, 2007 11:56 am

what steinberg support for scope cards?

I always thought asio is and was a standard and as scope supports it, I don`t see why there should be any problems....

at the end I see no cause for updating neither my os nor cubase....

my current opinion is: if my outcome with my scope synths and effects is bad, than I could buy any hardware and it won`t turn into good.

The only stuff i`m still interested in is hardware analog synth and maybe an expensive hardware reverb. For the rest I am happy with what I got.

And I simply believe in the current SC owners that they will keep going, release vista driver and other great products...

If I look back the days, all creamware products were excellent - perfect stuff...
So I trust them, whatever they will do they will do the right thing.

The only thing where they failed was a better marketing of there perfect stuff...

Altough I swear on the scope cards and wouldn`t buy and ASB, I think even this decision to produce hardware synths was correct and a nice idea.

They should just have continued development for the scope cards too. New synth, fx, driver and SFP updates.....

but at the end its all a question of money investment....

Post by **garyb** » Tue Nov 27, 2007 12:04 pm

they've done this before.
all they means is that they won't answer support requests involving scope cards at their pleasure, because they don't know how scope works and since scope cards work differently than all the others. it's a petty move to cover the poor quality of their support technicians. i like cubase sx3, but it's doubtful if i will ever buy 4, since theirs been so much trouble with it, and such a poor showing by yamaha. what do you expect, steinberg was bought out by a mega-corp in yamaha. specialty companies almost always do poorly when bought out by such entities.

don't worry, if asio actually works in cubase and it works in scope, scope and cubase have to work together.

next to nothing · Post by **next to nothing** » Tue Nov 27, 2007 12:12 pm

so just to state the obvious: as long as they stick to standards (ASIO) you shall not fear. Maybe yamaha turns to is own standard (like m-lan, not comparable to ASIO as far as i know, but you get my point: Steinberg had the ASIO patent, maybe Yamaha will "invent" its own to go all Protools on us).

djsainz · Post by **djsainz** » Tue Nov 27, 2007 12:14 pm

Yeah its a shame how Scope is being sidelined by most of the major software production houses. No idea what they did and not sure if they will bother fixing it, they might just ignore some of the bugs it like they did with SX3 and just release a new versino of Cubase and ask more money.

The card and cubase will work if left at 44.1Khz, its at 96Khz that it will kick up a fuzz, unless you start with the lower frequency and then up it to what you like. But its generally the hazzle of convenience, i would love to just load it up and have it there and ready like in version 4.0

Post by **garyb** » Tue Nov 27, 2007 12:26 pm

eventually, they'll fix their program and it will work right. in the mean time, they'll blame your card.

business as usual in the computer industry.....

Mr Arkadin · Post by **Mr Arkadin** » Tue Nov 27, 2007 12:49 pm

garyb wrote:eventually, they'll fix their program and it will work right.

i wouldn't bank on that given their history with VST5.1 and SX3 which never received their promised final versions.

johnbowen · Post by **johnbowen** » Tue Nov 27, 2007 1:41 pm

Really weird, since Steinberg recently hired a group of ex-Creamware/ex-Wizoo/Digidesign AIR people

-jb

next to nothing · Post by **next to nothing** » Tue Nov 27, 2007 1:48 pm

less competitors/less compatible/more *insert new yamaha standard here" certified hardware sold?

next to nothing · Post by **next to nothing** » Tue Nov 27, 2007 2:06 pm

johnbowen wrote:Really weird, since Steinberg recently hired a group of ex-Creamware/ex-Wizoo/Digidesign AIR people

-jb

nah, it probably is in the route of their "lets focus less on the real issues and rather include quality devices for next to nothing with people who can deliver "no-nonsense-no-support_needed plugs", to make their "support team" handle less stars (*) on their printed A4 sheet of FAQs, so they dont need to right-click and send to->trashcan that often, maximising theyr time spendt to questions like "- OMG i can't use my soundblaster for proffesional use! -sure you can, you just need to upgrade it! - OMG how? - Just buy a new YAS (yamaha audio standard) soundcard, like the pro musicians!!!" which is were a guitar player says "yeaah, thats what i need" while a Scope user would go"WTF support ASIO YOU ARSES" and they probably fixes a guitarist (sorry i know its a bad example, again, sorry to all guitarists, but you get my drift) better than they handle a scope user.

hence they drop it.

Fede · Post by **Fede** » Tue Nov 27, 2007 2:35 pm

Well, if they think to close the market to their products they're signing for their death...
It is good news indeed! (sorry for cubase afficionados), but finally there will be more room and paying users for some better software, be it Samplitude, Reaper or Logic with new PCI-E SC cards...