Scope & Future

hifiboom · Post by **hifiboom** » Sat Sep 29, 2007 11:49 am

scope is the most advanced and complex audio platform system available.

Complxity doesn`t mean that its not easy to use. You just have to understand how it works one time.

Its very intuitive. There are very good manuals, but the workflow is explaining itself.
If you can handle the complexity of cubase, Im pretty sure, you will do understand scope quite easy too.

Think of connecting a cd-player to your home amplifier with a cable, thats basically what you do with virual cables in scope.

route your guitar, or asio source into an virtual guitar amp or into a virtual scope mixers channel using the aux to add reverb.

What ever you think is possible in a real hardware studio, its up to you to reconstruct in scope.

dawman · Post by **dawman** » Sat Sep 29, 2007 11:57 am

I perform live, and have no time for fuckin' around, that's why I use it.

Cubase 'eh? No wonder you are leary. That app is a waste of time.

You still have to mix in Scope for a better sound.

I am old school, so I use hardware sequencers, 2 inch tape, and multitrack for syncing when vocals are necessary.

Scope,.....best synths

Gigastudio / Kontackt .........best sample players / editors

Audio / MIDI sequencer apps.............that's what takes the fun out of performance.

Post by **garyb** » Sat Sep 29, 2007 12:04 pm

with all due respect, you'll help yourself to drop that "i'm not an engineer" attitude. engineers are the guys who run studios. one becomes an engineer through patience and study, the same as becoming a musician, so you possess the needed skills. if you own and run your personal system you MUST become an engineer to some degree or you won't be able to get true satisfaction out of your gear. otherwise, you should spend your money on time in a studio with a competent engineer.

by learning how the gear works, you won't get too much immediate satisfaction, but the long term satisfaction will be a thousand fold....

also, once you understand how it works, Scope is the most dead-stupid simple program ever...

Sounddesigner · Post by **Sounddesigner** » Sat Sep 29, 2007 1:40 pm

Casar wrote:I Will I have an easy time to dial in the instruments and use midi as normal in Cubase?

I use Scope synths in xtc mode at times in Sonar. It's just like using vsti's. Once you've recorded scope synth on your piano-role and edited it like vsti, just route the output of the track with the scope synth on it to the input of the track you wish to record to, then press record (in Sonar). Scope effects require 'realtime bouncing' , or record one track into another, 'no accelerated bouncing'.

Post by **hubird** » Sat Sep 29, 2007 6:53 pm

Nothing so easy as Scope.
It's just like hardware, cabling does the job.
You load the modules (synths, mixers, hardware inputs (midi spdif, ADAT, Midi) and software in/outputs (Asio, midi) in the project, cable them, and there you go.
Rightclick on the grafical presentation of the module to get the GUI of it, and edit your synth, mixer, etc.
Save it as your default and there you go (again).

Only the use already of the 4 or 8 topsynths (partly pure emulations) mixed and premastered in a project is totally worth the price, it's a bargain actually.

At first sight it looks like complicating your setup.
It is, to some degree, but if you're after sound you shouldn't care, you win everything, including a subtle difference in sound and quality from the millions of regular VSTi users....

Regarding complexity, in fact you just add an ASIO and a Midi layer to your native sequencing setup.
What about using external gear? You won't say no to an original Minimoog, ARP etc.
Now you have it inside your computer, including a virtual top studio, all with total recall...
If you don't like to be an engineer yet wanne have quality, you should check Scope

The only comparable alternative is proTools, tho Reason could be a great alternative to the right user.
Scope is damn stable also, to end with that one

hifiboom · Post by **hifiboom** » Sat Sep 29, 2007 8:04 pm

oldschool rulez, Jimmy!

I`m still in yours debt.

dawman · Post by **dawman** » Sat Sep 29, 2007 9:03 pm

Speaking of old school.

My Brotha's from other forums are crying about their Lexicon MX400's not being 64bit, and how Gigapulse IR's are still 32bit, wah, wah wah.

Another good example of why hardware reverb and delays rule supreme. They are 16 bit, and 20 bit, and still spank the shit out of all VSTi's and DSP reverbs fiercly. And when Scope does manage to go 64bit, and Gigastudio too, my hardware will still be working better than any of these virtual, zipper infested effects !!

hifiboom · Post by **hifiboom** » Sat Sep 29, 2007 9:41 pm

you can build a crappy sounding plug-in based on 512 bit technology. shouldn``t be a problem

......

dawman · Post by **dawman** » Sat Sep 29, 2007 9:54 pm

Here's Your Daily Bread.

spacef · Post by **spacef** » Sun Sep 30, 2007 3:49 am

hubird wrote: Reason could be a great alternative to the right user.
Scope is damn stable also, to end with that one

I use Reason, it is fun, but it doesn't have even a half of what you can do in Scope (routings, effects,expandability and integration in your setup.)

Post by **hubird** » Sun Sep 30, 2007 5:57 am

spacef wrote: I use Reason, it is fun, but it doesn't have even a half of what you can do in Scope (routings, effects,expandability and integration in your setup.)

definitely

it was abit criptic, but with 'for the right user' I meant someone who doesn't need all possibilities etc.

spacef · Post by **spacef** » Sun Sep 30, 2007 8:19 am

hubird wrote:
spacef wrote: I use Reason, it is fun, but it doesn't have even a half of what you can do in Scope (routings, effects,expandability and integration in your setup.)
definitely
it was abit criptic, but with 'for the right user' I meant someone who doesn't need all possibilities etc.

right

hifiboom · Post by **hifiboom** » Sun Sep 30, 2007 9:23 am

stardust wrote:
hifiboom wrote:you can build a crappy sounding plug-in based on 512 bit technology. shouldn``t be a problem

......
Hey did I miss sonar 7 release ?

Sounddesigner · Post by **Sounddesigner** » Sun Sep 30, 2007 9:33 am

spacef wrote:
hubird wrote: Reason could be a great alternative to the right user.
Scope is damn stable also, to end with that one
I use Reason, it is fun, but it doesn't have even a half of what you can do in Scope (routings, effects,expandability and integration in your setup.)

Long time Reason user here, I stopped using it and feel it is much easier getting the type of sounds i want with Scope and Sonar/Session drummer and overall come out with better results with Scope. Reason is not the tool for me but i know many swear buy it and its the one for them. Scope is what i wanted Reason to be, i.e. expandability, intergration, routing and much of the stuff you mentioned, also to me its 'sound quality'! i just don't get as good of sound quality with Reason as i get with Scope and when i get good with Reason its harder work. But i'm aware that many love Reason and it definitely gives 'quantity' with its efficiency, and many others love the sounds it gives and its enviroment and workflow (it's a powerfull program no doubt to some). But if i where just starting out i'd buy a Scope Project and a cheap sequencer rather then buy Reason and a soundcard for it. Even tho Reasons efficiency provides for high instance count and my power from the Scope would be limited to 6dsp's i feel i'd come out better with Scope. It seems that the current trend is to go after quantity then quality for many and thats something i often find difficult to understand but chalk it up as 'to each their own', alot of people value more a powerfull computer with mediocre plugins that are efficient so they can get a high instance count. I love to have the ability for a high instance count as well but i also have to love the sound of the plugins that i can get alot of instances of. If i don't 'absolutely' love the sound of the plugins then i prefer low instance count with the plugins i prefer. I want the sound to bring a smile to my face.

astroman · Post by **astroman** » Sun Sep 30, 2007 11:16 am

well, not exactly contributing to the topic, but illustrative nevertheless...
someone asked for comments about an 'almost final' mix he made.

A pretty harsh and unbalanced track so I suggested to start all over, not knowing anything about him I considered it one of his first experiences. He said he was a Cubase user and pointed me to some of his earlier works on his website.
Oops, the dude really knew about mixing, very nice electronic stuff... damn, I wouldn't have thought something like that was possible at all with the program's 'standard' tools...

Then he had another track in the 'new style' (they wanted to get more into acoustic and band stuff). Same shitty sound character.
I said there must be a difference between the 2 projects - the old one is perfectly balanced, but the new one just doesn't cut it...
Oh yeah, he admitted, I miss my Audiomedia III and the ProTools reverb... it doesn't run on my current machine anymore...

LOL - he had used the most humble version of PT and an equally humble 18bit Soundcard, at lest a decade old

and still the result was clearly ahead of the 'modern' bla-bla-superfeature-power-system

go figure yourself... cheers, Tom

MCCY · Post by **MCCY** » Sun Sep 30, 2007 12:14 pm

Yes, Audiomedia III was my first audiocard in 1996... It was DAMN GOOD!!!!!

Oh, sorry, no, before I had the first version of tripledat

- But that was more a DAT - tool & not a soundcard for me... in that time I had a new soundcard twice a year, but never found one that was good as the audiomedia soundvise (it had terrible drivers for windows - only 8 tracks with it's own (really really good) dsp powered EQs were possible within Logic Audio... Then I found Scope and there I am still today except some experiments for laptop solutions.