I had lots of fun today, playing with this brandnew eq-concept. COMBFMOV added.
Important:
YOU HAVE TO CONNECT A KEYBOARD VIA MIDI. OTHERWISE THIS DEVICE IS USELESS. Play your eq frequencies and eq-gain now with your keyboard. EQ-chords/cluster, Melody-line following, subtle enhancing, key-freq attenuation ... many things are possible to musically influence your music with this special POLYPHONIC-MIDI-EQ !
Connect a synth like the vectron to it's input when you first try out. The possibilities for post-eqing synths are great with this device.
POLYEK is a stereo MIDI controlled EQ which can be played polyphonic.
You can choose between direct note2freq translation (including all benefits like portamento, transposing ...) or a hughe settable scale over the hole keyboard range to set individual frequencies depending on the notes are played.
It reacts (adjustable) velocity-sensitive...
Contend of original & filtered sound can be banlanced. Q value can be set. Frequencies may only be amplified. Minus-values for EQ gain make no sense in this design.
This may drastically and musically influence the soundcharacter of a synthesizer or even a vocal track, if you play the EQ-melody alongside.
The sound of the filters is (in contrast to 1q, 1qb & Oktavianus...) standard. Nothing special with it, but the keyboard-EQ-playing allows some really special sounds.
have fun
martin
EDIT:
- presets working
- presets added (not spectacular, but they show some possibilities)
- big panel with curve seperated
EDIT2:
- bypass added
- mono versions added
- naming corrected main=clean
- COMBFMOV added (be carefull! COMBFMOV may kill your speakers when turned too loud and too less damping or too much resonance added!!!)
EDIT3:
COMBFMOVdsp added (it is NOT phasecorrected, but that's O.K. for a B2003 going through it with 16 voices).
- no aftertouch involved so far
P.S. thanks for the screenshot, jimmy! I just lost mine ...
P.P.S. Man, COMBFMOVdsp is great on B2003!!!!
POLYEK COMBFMOV + non-phase corrected COMBFMOV
POLYEK COMBFMOV + non-phase corrected COMBFMOV
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Last edited by MCCY on Mon Jul 30, 2007 9:54 am, edited 4 times in total.
That didn't take too long did it.
This is a unique and great idea. I have not tried it on synths as I prefer filters for those, but who knows, maybe a velocity controlled filter is in our future.
What a great beta though, I can only suggest a bypass button for A/B comparisons.
I am demo'ing new devices, and have to dedicate an evening to this one. The presets are awesome, and I already have one to show you that I placed on my Yamaha Grand Piano sample in Gigastudio 3. I thought it would be appropriately named Continuos Velocity Piano.
I will try this mixed with DAS's DynaPara and SpaceF's FATCS4, as the 3 seem to be perfect mates.
BTW I use 8 voices and it works fine. I now have a new toy to eat up DSP's with.
Thanks Again For Your Incredible Solutions 4 Scope.
This is a unique and great idea. I have not tried it on synths as I prefer filters for those, but who knows, maybe a velocity controlled filter is in our future.
What a great beta though, I can only suggest a bypass button for A/B comparisons.
I am demo'ing new devices, and have to dedicate an evening to this one. The presets are awesome, and I already have one to show you that I placed on my Yamaha Grand Piano sample in Gigastudio 3. I thought it would be appropriately named Continuos Velocity Piano.
I will try this mixed with DAS's DynaPara and SpaceF's FATCS4, as the 3 seem to be perfect mates.
BTW I use 8 voices and it works fine. I now have a new toy to eat up DSP's with.
Thanks Again For Your Incredible Solutions 4 Scope.
BTW,
I noticed when using this that the polyphony isn't important as I thought it might be. The harder velocities generate the EQ's needed, but one can only hit so many notes at a time, and this device seems to have been designed so that when a note is released the attached EQ is also released.
I think this is a very important device and will continue to tell you of my discoveries.
How did you get the EQ's to re allocate themselves ? This reminds me of note stealing algorhitms made for early polyphonic units. Quite remarkable.
Alvetazein,
I noticed when using this that the polyphony isn't important as I thought it might be. The harder velocities generate the EQ's needed, but one can only hit so many notes at a time, and this device seems to have been designed so that when a note is released the attached EQ is also released.
I think this is a very important device and will continue to tell you of my discoveries.
How did you get the EQ's to re allocate themselves ? This reminds me of note stealing algorhitms made for early polyphonic units. Quite remarkable.
Alvetazein,
I have been playing with DAS's DynaPara which is an awesome EQ as you can change it's sound as well through different amounts of volume entering the unit.
The PolyEK is at the end of my audio chain before entering the mixer, and all I can say. HOT DAMN !!
I have just started making my Continuos Velocity Piano really dynamic. The actual piano sample uses the filters of GVI to dampen it's sound, or brighten it through velocity, the FATCS4 just gives it extreme body, then DynaPara goes in insert # 1 of the FATCS4, then on to PolyEK. These devices are incredible, and my ppp, and sfz's ( dynamics ), are very controllable and extreme.
Sundays Have Never Been The Same Since Scope Was Purchased,
The PolyEK is at the end of my audio chain before entering the mixer, and all I can say. HOT DAMN !!
I have just started making my Continuos Velocity Piano really dynamic. The actual piano sample uses the filters of GVI to dampen it's sound, or brighten it through velocity, the FATCS4 just gives it extreme body, then DynaPara goes in insert # 1 of the FATCS4, then on to PolyEK. These devices are incredible, and my ppp, and sfz's ( dynamics ), are very controllable and extreme.
Sundays Have Never Been The Same Since Scope Was Purchased,
Thanks Jimmy! It's incredible valuable when there are some guys that test a device in it's possibilities & limits. The polyphonic behaviour of this EQ is no big deal. You have to thank creamware or soniccore for that 
. I just left my effects oriented train of thoughts and started dreaming about synths at night & when I wake up in the morning quite often there is a new idea, what is a bit a problem for me cause I shouldn't spend so much time with scope these days...
You know I build the basic idea within a short time, but then something goes wrong with presets or surface opening and I search for a small bug for hours...
I'll try to keep my work as effective as possible, to still get some new things running. The basic concept behind this eq can be variated endlessly and too much ideas rush through my head in that directions. The easiest will be to continue with:
- bypass button
- integration of aftertouch if this makes sense
- a mono version
Then there could be:
- a combfilter - version
- 1mov - like version (tubeq without tube )
Other Midi keyboardplaying controlled effects ideas are a must then (because it's so nice to have some absolute and musical informations when you play MIDI)...
P.S. You know, that the curve only works when the upper button is grey? Otherwise it directly translates note2freq (including all course & fine-tuning).
@ hifiboom
The basic concept behind this eqing is from the sateq - EQ (without saturation). Another possibility would be to adopt the tubeq circuit withou tubes. That would give less possibilities concerning Q-value, but more control over eq-gain.
I'm happy to have released kind of groundbreaking effect
Martin
. I just left my effects oriented train of thoughts and started dreaming about synths at night & when I wake up in the morning quite often there is a new idea, what is a bit a problem for me cause I shouldn't spend so much time with scope these days...You know I build the basic idea within a short time, but then something goes wrong with presets or surface opening and I search for a small bug for hours...
I'll try to keep my work as effective as possible, to still get some new things running. The basic concept behind this eq can be variated endlessly and too much ideas rush through my head in that directions. The easiest will be to continue with:
- bypass button
- integration of aftertouch if this makes sense
- a mono version
Then there could be:
- a combfilter - version
- 1mov - like version (tubeq without tube
)Other Midi keyboardplaying controlled effects ideas are a must then (because it's so nice to have some absolute and musical informations when you play MIDI)...
P.S. You know, that the curve only works when the upper button is grey? Otherwise it directly translates note2freq (including all course & fine-tuning).
@ hifiboom
The main factor for a success with such a polyphonic thing is the dsp-allocation once again. So I think this would be a bit hard within Modular, but i may be wrong. As you know I'm not so warm with modular, maybe shroomz could do some wonders. I bet he sees from one look, how this would work.interesting, when there was the "Flexor3 request for new modules" thread months ago, I thought about if it would be useful to have some sort of parametric EQ like the CW modular ones but with modulation inputs, the concept would be somewhat similar......
The basic concept behind this eqing is from the sateq - EQ (without saturation). Another possibility would be to adopt the tubeq circuit withou tubes. That would give less possibilities concerning Q-value, but more control over eq-gain.
I'm happy to have released kind of groundbreaking effect
Martin
I will try this tonight, as it is already in the chain I showed above.
I am quite thankful for the new toys last week I got from everyone here, and DAS also. I am concentrating on Gigastudio and GVI, as my upcoming gigs dictate. These tools have allowed me to take a relatively small piano ( 600 Mb ) and use these devices to create new layers, w/o having to use these overbloated pianos, which are only good for classical music. This piano can now do all styles including a great Honky Tonk with much more control of dynamics.
I shall post again after the new add ons have had time to sink in.
Awesome Work My Friend,
I am quite thankful for the new toys last week I got from everyone here, and DAS also. I am concentrating on Gigastudio and GVI, as my upcoming gigs dictate. These tools have allowed me to take a relatively small piano ( 600 Mb ) and use these devices to create new layers, w/o having to use these overbloated pianos, which are only good for classical music. This piano can now do all styles including a great Honky Tonk with much more control of dynamics.
I shall post again after the new add ons have had time to sink in.
Awesome Work My Friend,
Brotha' Man Martin,
I downloaded the new polyek, as well as the comb. I saw you mentioned that the presets work now, but mine were already working, but I copied over the old anyway as I thought there was something new in there, and could easily replace them, as I always do this for good practice anyway. But alas ! I cannot open the new preset box at all. I should have noticed that it was smaller in size ( kb ), which usually means nothing extra there. Could you send me the old device and presets in an email ?
Comb works fine but am busy with DynaPara / FAT CS4 / and Polyek, as my piano library is all being redone. But the box for pre's won't open, and I copied over the device as well as the pre's.
Thanks,
I downloaded the new polyek, as well as the comb. I saw you mentioned that the presets work now, but mine were already working, but I copied over the old anyway as I thought there was something new in there, and could easily replace them, as I always do this for good practice anyway. But alas ! I cannot open the new preset box at all. I should have noticed that it was smaller in size ( kb ), which usually means nothing extra there. Could you send me the old device and presets in an email ?
Comb works fine but am busy with DynaPara / FAT CS4 / and Polyek, as my piano library is all being redone. But the box for pre's won't open, and I copied over the device as well as the pre's.
Thanks,
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Oh, that's bad...
but I can't reproduce it here. Did you try rightclick on the module and open presets-panel from the popupmenu? But I can't imagine how the preset-button could get screwed. Here it works & I used exactly the versions I posted... Not opening means rather that there's someting wrong with the button to open preset-list than with the list itself.
I can't send you the old files, because I simply overwrote them too.
Anyone else experiences problems with presets?
Hmm... maybe like this: i had with fetta a very very strange problem when fetta was loaded into a project and was working within the project without a module being existent. Maybe Polyek is written in your project file and must be replaced there...
hope we get this sorted
Martin
but I can't reproduce it here. Did you try rightclick on the module and open presets-panel from the popupmenu? But I can't imagine how the preset-button could get screwed. Here it works & I used exactly the versions I posted... Not opening means rather that there's someting wrong with the button to open preset-list than with the list itself.
I can't send you the old files, because I simply overwrote them too.
Anyone else experiences problems with presets?
Hmm... maybe like this: i had with fetta a very very strange problem when fetta was loaded into a project and was working within the project without a module being existent. Maybe Polyek is written in your project file and must be replaced there...
hope we get this sorted
Martin
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Ben Walker
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Might be worth checking that the preset box isn't simply hidden behind the live bar or something. That's happened to me before now. Try moving the live bar. Alternatively, try loading a preset from the live bar - that would prove whether the preset list is actually loaded or not.
Sorry if you've already tried this.
B
Sorry if you've already tried this.
B
Everythings good now. Sometimes I just play for so long I get really stupid.
I just reloaded everything, and started over.
This is so sweet. Imagine a really decent sounding sampled grand, that uses the filters in Gigastudio to dampen or brighten the sound by using velocity sensativity. Nice start. Then add SpaceF's little FAT CS4 ( sorry Mehdi, the cat's out of the bag ) which is just perfect for added body, bit also has filter if need be and 4 x insert slots. Put DAS's awesome DynaPara into slot one, then go to PolyEK. This is where the bypass button is so crucial. I get the piano nice and full w/ the first 2 devices, and get the mid / side mix just right, then off goes the bypass, and you can't imagine what the new options via velocity brings.
My ppp sounds are so full, and ff is just as fat, but when the sfz is introduced, it's whole new ball game. This is the most dynamic instrument ( sampled of course ) I ever played, and the sound is incredibly full of harmonics. When I use the sustain pedal, the resonant body impulses that are modelled into the piano are so realistic. This sounds like a well mic'd piano in whatever ambience the PCM91 wants to add.
MCCY, SpaceF, and DAS make an awesome trio.
FUCKIN' A,
I just reloaded everything, and started over.
This is so sweet. Imagine a really decent sounding sampled grand, that uses the filters in Gigastudio to dampen or brighten the sound by using velocity sensativity. Nice start. Then add SpaceF's little FAT CS4 ( sorry Mehdi, the cat's out of the bag ) which is just perfect for added body, bit also has filter if need be and 4 x insert slots. Put DAS's awesome DynaPara into slot one, then go to PolyEK. This is where the bypass button is so crucial. I get the piano nice and full w/ the first 2 devices, and get the mid / side mix just right, then off goes the bypass, and you can't imagine what the new options via velocity brings.
My ppp sounds are so full, and ff is just as fat, but when the sfz is introduced, it's whole new ball game. This is the most dynamic instrument ( sampled of course ) I ever played, and the sound is incredibly full of harmonics. When I use the sustain pedal, the resonant body impulses that are modelled into the piano are so realistic. This sounds like a well mic'd piano in whatever ambience the PCM91 wants to add.
MCCY, SpaceF, and DAS make an awesome trio.
FUCKIN' A,
I just finished EQ'ing all piano libraries ( acoustic ), and have moved onto all other libraries. They sound so clean and polished, especially my older conversions I still use.
I find that the low DSP the three of these takes is worth putting on all ASIO / GSIF outputs. FAT CS4 >> DAS DynaPara >> PolyEK.
Some may argue that it's an overall volume boost I'm hearing. I can assure you it is not, as I level everything out, and do comparison testing A / B' ' ing and using the bypass on all three devices.
FAT CS4 gives body to older content, DAS's M / S EQ hits the weak spots, and PolyEK adds the finishing touch to the dynamics.
I have not even finished another project as this has taken priority with my sampler apps. The more polished newer 24 bit libraries sound better also, but the amounts and frequencies vary, and tend to need less tweaking, but the dynamics on ALL libraries improve immensely with PolyEK.
I hope to try the comb version this weekend, but I can't stop until all Libraries have been tweaked.
Thanks Again MCCY, DAS, and SpaceF for a new polished HDD full of content.
I find that the low DSP the three of these takes is worth putting on all ASIO / GSIF outputs. FAT CS4 >> DAS DynaPara >> PolyEK.
Some may argue that it's an overall volume boost I'm hearing. I can assure you it is not, as I level everything out, and do comparison testing A / B' ' ing and using the bypass on all three devices.
FAT CS4 gives body to older content, DAS's M / S EQ hits the weak spots, and PolyEK adds the finishing touch to the dynamics.
I have not even finished another project as this has taken priority with my sampler apps. The more polished newer 24 bit libraries sound better also, but the amounts and frequencies vary, and tend to need less tweaking, but the dynamics on ALL libraries improve immensely with PolyEK.
I hope to try the comb version this weekend, but I can't stop until all Libraries have been tweaked.
Thanks Again MCCY, DAS, and SpaceF for a new polished HDD full of content.
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Just tried the B2003, it's sounds excellent !!
I don't know how or why, but I am going to dig into this Saturday. I hope it can be MIDI controlled, as it would really enhance the swelling as well as the drawbar moves.
I finally heard the Korg Oasys Hammond emulation and must say, it sounded awesome w/o a rotary cabinet. I can only imagine what that would sound like. The sound was authentic, but also had a new twist of modulation added to it. Sadly the group performed for only one week and I caught the tail end only. But the keyboardist had great Jimmy Smith chops, and even the old Booker T and the MG's sounded fabulous.
I Shall Return,.............................General Douglas MacArthur somewhere in the Phillipines Janurary, 1942.
I don't know how or why, but I am going to dig into this Saturday. I hope it can be MIDI controlled, as it would really enhance the swelling as well as the drawbar moves.
I finally heard the Korg Oasys Hammond emulation and must say, it sounded awesome w/o a rotary cabinet. I can only imagine what that would sound like. The sound was authentic, but also had a new twist of modulation added to it. Sadly the group performed for only one week and I caught the tail end only. But the keyboardist had great Jimmy Smith chops, and even the old Booker T and the MG's sounded fabulous.
I Shall Return,.............................General Douglas MacArthur somewhere in the Phillipines Janurary, 1942.