Well it’s soon upon us.
What do you people think? Will the current owners of Creamware technology release any drivers or OS? Or are they still hoping to revive its DSP card with legacy software with some help of 3rd party synth developers.
It's 7 years on and my card still blows away any hardware synth I own. If they want to keep up with the market, they must have OS/X or Vista drivers in order to make it attractive to new buyers. Even if still 95% of people use XP, but you have to make it future proof in order to persuade the average person to spend the current asking price.
Summer NAMM
We just wanna see the love of our lives get a nudge towards the future w/ Vista. Every OEM is going to have it. And if SonicCore doesn't. I won't be buying any more cards, that's for sure. But I will play my DAW's until they die.
I want to buy 2 more cards w/ the Plus style AES / EBU I/O's, but will wait for them to upgrade. If it takes till Christmas fine. But I will not buy anything until I see or at least hear that they are trying to keep us current. To miss the PCI-e debacle was fine as we can play on, but XP w/o Vista drivers means I am going back to hardware, and will probably die, as the absense of Scope will kill me.
I want to buy 2 more cards w/ the Plus style AES / EBU I/O's, but will wait for them to upgrade. If it takes till Christmas fine. But I will not buy anything until I see or at least hear that they are trying to keep us current. To miss the PCI-e debacle was fine as we can play on, but XP w/o Vista drivers means I am going back to hardware, and will probably die, as the absense of Scope will kill me.
Re: Summer NAMM
there is no (and there never will be any) such average Joe buying that stuff. period.djsainz wrote:... Even if still 95% of people use XP, but you have to make it future proof in order to persuade the average person to spend the current asking price.
you may consider the purchase of a hardware Solaris (later this year)
then, after 8 years, you eventually will own a hardware synth that blows your old card away...
cheers, Tom
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synthetic88
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It gets worse every year as they change cities so much. Nashville, Austin, Chacago,.......nothing beats Anaheim, even though I must trravel to the Socialist Republic Of California, it's still fun to practice my spanish and sneak a smoke w/o being arrested for pollution, as the SUV's clog the roads !?!?!
I don't think Summer NAMM has ever been big on electronic type gear has it? It's more about traditional instruments. Either way it's pretty pointless to speculate on such matters. It's not worth waiting for anything in the music technology world... either use what you have now or switch to something else... when something new actually comes out you can switch again if you have to.
Also any reasonably intelligent DAW user knows that Vista is not yet a viable platform. There is basically no hardware to take advantage of Vista's supposed improvements - crucially this includes the fact that there are no motherboards that can accomodate huge amounts of RAM. Not to mention that the motherboards' system buses are not capable of moving all this theoretically huge amount of data around properly.
There is also only 1 major host that officially works on Vista. Hardly any plugins either. Vista is also much more inefficient with resources and the GUI is slow.
Therefore any intelligent music computer user is either going to build their own DAW and install XP on it, or buy an OEM machine, bring it home, format the drive and install XP
Or buy a Mac
Also any reasonably intelligent DAW user knows that Vista is not yet a viable platform. There is basically no hardware to take advantage of Vista's supposed improvements - crucially this includes the fact that there are no motherboards that can accomodate huge amounts of RAM. Not to mention that the motherboards' system buses are not capable of moving all this theoretically huge amount of data around properly.
There is also only 1 major host that officially works on Vista. Hardly any plugins either. Vista is also much more inefficient with resources and the GUI is slow.
Therefore any intelligent music computer user is either going to build their own DAW and install XP on it, or buy an OEM machine, bring it home, format the drive and install XP
Or buy a Mac I would like to see Sonic Core re-kindle the relationship with Fairlight. IF ONLY they could license the Scope platform to run on Fairlights new KIK ASS PCI-e card.
Have you seen it? 256 physical i/o with 8band eq and 2 compressors each channel!! with still more DSP to spare. Perhaps enough to run the Scope platform like they used to on Dream etc
And what's this about hardware accelerated VST/VSTi they mention. Have they finally cracked it! Wouldn't this mean they'd have to translate intel native code to DSP code in realtime.
Sub 0.5ms latency as well..the list goes on. If Sonic Core aren't in with these guys then they should be....or at least come out with a worthy opponent.
The bar has been lifted!
Have you seen it? 256 physical i/o with 8band eq and 2 compressors each channel!! with still more DSP to spare. Perhaps enough to run the Scope platform like they used to on Dream etc
And what's this about hardware accelerated VST/VSTi they mention. Have they finally cracked it! Wouldn't this mean they'd have to translate intel native code to DSP code in realtime.
Sub 0.5ms latency as well..the list goes on. If Sonic Core aren't in with these guys then they should be....or at least come out with a worthy opponent.
The bar has been lifted!
why should Fairlight license a technology they just made obsolete ? 
cheers, Tom..."Our Crystal Core (CC-1) architecture demonstrates how Altera FPGAs deliver superior price-performance for DSP functions," said Tino Fibaek, Fairlight's chief technology officer. "Altera's development tools helped make this project the smoothest engineering effort I have ever witnessed. We completed our development in one-third the time it would have taken to complete a DSP device-based architecture."...
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For anything new to happen to Scope it would have to be all three of the following at once:
1. New drivers & software.
2. New PCI-E cards.
3. New DSP chips.
There is no point in upgrading one of those points without upgrading the rest, period. To port the old software over to OS X would only benefit those few users who still have a PowerMac G4. There's no point in making new PCI-E cards without new DSP chips, and no point in making new DSP cards without PCI-E, and no point in doing any of those without functioning OS X software to go along with it (except for us Windows users).
I don't expect we'll see anything at all for a long time. They're busy getting Solaris out the door, which is at the moment the Next Big Thing.
Shayne
1. New drivers & software.
2. New PCI-E cards.
3. New DSP chips.
There is no point in upgrading one of those points without upgrading the rest, period. To port the old software over to OS X would only benefit those few users who still have a PowerMac G4. There's no point in making new PCI-E cards without new DSP chips, and no point in making new DSP cards without PCI-E, and no point in doing any of those without functioning OS X software to go along with it (except for us Windows users).
I don't expect we'll see anything at all for a long time. They're busy getting Solaris out the door, which is at the moment the Next Big Thing.
Shayne
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I am glad that I have what I need right now, and it works great.
The power of Soalris w/ the new chips leads me to believe that we will see new hardware as well. Until then, I shall enjoy my profits that the " old " cards have provided. With the help of 3rd party developers , and guys from here, these cards already paid for themselves. I just don't see the sense of buying any more. As long as our old devices can work with new hardware, that is enough comfort. But I don't even know if that's the case.
As the Reverend M.L. King once said..........I Have A Dream................
3 x 6 DSP PCI-e cards, w/ Blackfins, and of course the hardware Solaris !!!
I still think Solaris being the first softsynth to go hard, will start a trend.
The power of Soalris w/ the new chips leads me to believe that we will see new hardware as well. Until then, I shall enjoy my profits that the " old " cards have provided. With the help of 3rd party developers , and guys from here, these cards already paid for themselves. I just don't see the sense of buying any more. As long as our old devices can work with new hardware, that is enough comfort. But I don't even know if that's the case.
As the Reverend M.L. King once said..........I Have A Dream................
3 x 6 DSP PCI-e cards, w/ Blackfins, and of course the hardware Solaris !!!
I still think Solaris being the first softsynth to go hard, will start a trend.
Jimmy,
As others have pointed out - the Solaris won't be the first softsynth to appear as hardware (but I do appreciate your enthusiasm!!).
You could argue that that the Minimax and Pro-12 ASB models are among the first softsynths to go into hardware (and of course, as already mentioned, the Waldorf Attack, started out this way as well, several years ago). There's probably a few others I'm forgetting that could fit this picture, and of course, Arturia has their Origin synth coming out at around the same time (and price) as Solaris.
Cheers,
John B.
As others have pointed out - the Solaris won't be the first softsynth to appear as hardware (but I do appreciate your enthusiasm!!).
You could argue that that the Minimax and Pro-12 ASB models are among the first softsynths to go into hardware (and of course, as already mentioned, the Waldorf Attack, started out this way as well, several years ago). There's probably a few others I'm forgetting that could fit this picture, and of course, Arturia has their Origin synth coming out at around the same time (and price) as Solaris.
Cheers,
John B.
Summer NAMM has never been a focus for me - I think of it mostly as a guitar show. I'm quite certain SonicCore will not have anything there.synthetic88 wrote:I'll eat my hat if Sonicore is even going to Summer NAMM. That show is on it's last legs and probably won't even exist next year. The number of buyers signed up in advance was something like 3% of Winter NAMM.
cheers,
john b.
There You Go Again,
They have no keys, so naturally, I don't consider that hard.
But semi-hard,.........that just doesn't sound right ,..sorry.
Those are emus anyway, good,..but still emus. I am thankful for their development, as it led to Solaris in hardware, I shall grant them that.
Are You Playing With It Right Now ??
I know you got a few of them on, and your'e taking a Planet Z break, right. I do the same, I am late for sound checks thanks to you guys. That NEVER happened until I got Scope / Giga DAW's. Now I take 'em home every day and night. they never stay on a stage, EVER. That's why I have so many controllers. I just grab the meat and potatoes, and run. If they steal my KS88's, I got another at home, and an MC3000 as well.
Chance Favors The Prepared Mind, And Battle Worthy Rig As Well !!
They have no keys, so naturally, I don't consider that hard.
But semi-hard,.........that just doesn't sound right ,..sorry.
Those are emus anyway, good,..but still emus. I am thankful for their development, as it led to Solaris in hardware, I shall grant them that.
Are You Playing With It Right Now ??
I know you got a few of them on, and your'e taking a Planet Z break, right. I do the same, I am late for sound checks thanks to you guys. That NEVER happened until I got Scope / Giga DAW's. Now I take 'em home every day and night. they never stay on a stage, EVER. That's why I have so many controllers. I just grab the meat and potatoes, and run. If they steal my KS88's, I got another at home, and an MC3000 as well.
Chance Favors The Prepared Mind, And Battle Worthy Rig As Well !!
I agree with almost all points, except the vista support.Shayne White wrote:For anything new to happen to Scope it would have to be all three of the following at once:
1. New drivers & software.
2. New PCI-E cards.
3. New DSP chips.
There is no point in upgrading one of those points without upgrading the rest, period. To port the old software over to OS X would only benefit those few users who still have a PowerMac G4. There's no point in making new PCI-E cards without new DSP chips, and no point in making new DSP cards without PCI-E, and no point in doing any of those without functioning OS X software to go along with it (except for us Windows users).
I don't expect we'll see anything at all for a long time. They're busy getting Solaris out the door, which is at the moment the Next Big Thing.
Shayne
actually it does make sense and will make the platform a little longer lasting....
a company needs to sell to somebody.
the driver is not that hard.
the card is still sellable for use in those new vista computers.
it makes SonicCore look like it's products are current and worthy to people building a personal DAW in their home and makes the company look viable to professionals. this is a product that is still the class of the field, it's a product already made, the software already works(certain fixes would be nice), and i'd like to see it all stay in business. i love these cards and the way they work.
the driver is not that hard.
the card is still sellable for use in those new vista computers.
it makes SonicCore look like it's products are current and worthy to people building a personal DAW in their home and makes the company look viable to professionals. this is a product that is still the class of the field, it's a product already made, the software already works(certain fixes would be nice), and i'd like to see it all stay in business. i love these cards and the way they work.