Up All Night w/ Flexor III ?

hifiboom · Post by **hifiboom** » Sun Jul 01, 2007 9:47 am

scope4live wrote:Thats a damn shame. Bowens synths using Kyma samples is amazingly unique in sound and motion. Even w/ Waldorf Oscillators I can comb through sounds w/ my expression pedal making curtains of motion that make soloing so much fun.

Who could fix this SonicCore ?

even the old wav players, I have tried, suffer from crashes.
I`m sure they worked fine with a previous version of SFP. I`m pretty sure this could be fixed quite easily, but I don`t know.

dawman · Post by **dawman** » Tue Jul 03, 2007 9:24 pm

Well there's another reason for people to buy a Bowen synth. Nobody seems to use these awesome Oscillators I guess. You don't know what you are missing. For instance, the RD II Modules doubles up on the instances, and I noticed when these were recorded in 96k they sound even better.

Even adding the D50 samples in 16 bit turns a Bowen synth into a super D50, especially when mixing w/ the CEM Osc's.

JB has informs me that new code allows the hardware Solaris to change presets instantly. This synth w/ 16 voices using his WAV Oscillators will be the freshest sounding synth in my arsenal.

That means that Flexor III will have it's own DAW when the hardware Solaris arrives. These are truly awesome days ahead.

Ben Walker · Post by **Ben Walker** » Wed Jul 04, 2007 1:42 am

scope4live wrote:I Think I Will Cut Our Vacation Short. I am literally sleepless knowing it's available, and I haven't a DAW in sight. But Lake Tahoe is so beautiful !! But in the presence of Flexor III, I'm afraid it can only come second.

I felt the same last week - I was on holiday in the middle of nowhere, no phone, let alone DAW, when FIII came out and I was feverish with excitement and even trying to think of ways that I could at least get to an Internet enabled PC just to read about the new version.

However, I didn't do that, and I'm glad I didn't. Holidays are important, especially when you're somewhere as beautiful as Lake Tahoe, and FIII will still be there when you get back. Relax, enjoy the break, and think of FIII as something that will make the return from holiday easier to bear. I look forward to hearing your reaction to FIII when you get back - you won't be disappointed.

Ben

hifiboom · Post by **hifiboom** » Wed Jul 04, 2007 5:28 am

scope4live wrote:Well there's another reason for people to buy a Bowen synth. Nobody seems to use these awesome Oscillators I guess. You don't know what you are missing. For instance, the RD II Modules doubles up on the instances, and I noticed when these were recorded in 96k they sound even better.

Jimmy, does the osc 1 also accept loop points from a WAV file?

edit:
just tried the Pro-Wave, and I had a crash using a wav oscillator with a loop file.
Maybe I do have a problem with my system? Or rmaybe a problem with the wav files.
mmmnhhh.

Strange.
Maybe I am the only one that uses the wav oscillators as real oscillators and not as wav players.

Ben Walker · Post by **Ben Walker** » Wed Jul 04, 2007 6:33 am

hifiboom wrote: Jimmy, does the osc 1 also accept loop points from a WAV file?

edit:
just tried the Pro-Wave, and I had a crash using a wav oscillator with a loop file.
Maybe I do have a problem with my system? Or rmaybe a problem with the wav files.
mmmnhhh.

Strange.
Maybe I am the only one that uses the wav oscillators as real oscillators and not as wav players.

I regularly use the wav oscillators in many of the Zarg synths, especially Solaris, Proph@t Plus, Rotor Ex and Ambient. For example, I often use the sample pool I created for the Jaded800 modular patch, with great effect.

However, I do remember a similar problem as you describe with one of the synths recently, but can't remember if this was with Pro-Wave or Quantum Wave. I'll check tonight when I get home as I had some discussion with John about this.

Cheers,
Ben

PS Here are some presets for various Zarg Synths which use wav oscillators:
Solaris: http://www.planetz.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=19163
Proph@t Plus: http://www.planetz.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=11235
Ambient v3: http://www.planetz.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=11234
Ambient v2: http://www.planetz.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=11233

hifiboom · Post by **hifiboom** » Wed Jul 04, 2007 7:14 am

Ben Walker wrote:
However, I do remember a similar problem as you describe with one of the synths recently, but can't remember if this was with Pro-Wave or Quantum Wave. I'll check tonight when I get home as I had some discussion with John about this.

Ben, I think it is not a device specific probelm, more likely a problem in the wav module.

Do you use loop points?
I mean my wav files mostly are around 990Byte / 1KB sized wave up and down cycles which I loop in the wave module.

Once you have loaded succesfully it works like a charm,
but
(1) when you drop new wav files in the load box, soemtimes the system is rebooting instantly ( its just click -> black screen -> booting )
(2) after save/reload the patch has some kind of error sound, something is interrupting the WAVE sound with noise at random times

btw I checked the JD800 thread, where does that standalone sample pool come from ?

the following patch uses small cycled records of wave files...

the wav oscillator detects sample loops, but it does not seem to work properly with the loops. Maybe the problems only exist with looped wavs.

don`t know. But its such a cool and powerful feature, that its hard to live without it.

the waveshaper could be a workaround to replace the wav oscillator, but at the moment it has the glitching problem.

Ben Walker · Post by **Ben Walker** » Wed Jul 04, 2007 7:43 am

hifiboom wrote: Do you use loop points?
I mean my wav files mostly are around 990Byte / 1KB sized wave up and down cycles which I loop in the wave module.

Once you have loaded succesfully it works like a charm,
but
(1) when you drop new wav files in the load box, soemtimes the system is rebooting instantly ( its just click -> black screen -> booting )
(2) after save/reload the patch has some kind of error sound, something is interrupting the WAVE sound with noise at random times

btw I checked the JD800 thread, where does that standalone sample pool come from ?

The standalone sample pool comes from here:
http://www.modularsynth.co.uk/downloads.html
It was created by John for the Jaded800 patch as the modular seemed to be saving the modular sample pool with every preset, which meant that the preset files quickly get ridiculously big. But it's very useful to have the standalone pool for other uses such as loading into standalone synths.

The wav's in the Jaded800 pool are almost all looped, with only a couple of 'one shot' loops amongst them. I've never experienced this spontaneous reboot issue with any of the Zarg Synths except with either Pro-Wave or Quantum Wave, and I've used the other synths a lot without problems. I think this must be a device specific problem as exactly the same wav worked fine in solaris and others - John was able to recreate the problem also. More on this tonight when I get home and dig out the old mails.

Try that patch with the samples from the SamplePool, as these have worked faultlessly with other synths before now.

B

hifiboom · Post by **hifiboom** » Wed Jul 04, 2007 7:57 am

Ben,

the crash happens randomly, you may load 20 wavs into the wav osc without problem but once you drop the 21 times a wave from the pool into wa-osc it may crash...

same with load error.
yesterday I loaded my test.dev and had random sound noise interuptions...

once i drop the wavs from the pool into the osc again, the sound is fine.

so these seem to be two different bugs.

1) a load bug
2) a crash bug

I`ve noticed the crash bug also with the old cw wav players which are no more available from cw, but I found them somewhere in the i-net.

I think the wav-osc may be based on these old modules and may have not beeen updated thorugh the different SFP versions.
I`m pretty sure they work fine with an older SFP version.

dawman · Post by **dawman** » Wed Jul 04, 2007 8:48 am

I have used WAV's I looped and edited in Gigastudio, as I can convert any file to WAV there, and use my Kyma waveforms looped to extreme success.

Your JD800 wav's get a good workout also. I have made some awesome presets with them in the last 2 years.

I also had good luck turning Zarg synths into a full fledged super D50 by mixing CEM Oscillators with the 16 bit D50 samples as well as JD800 ones from you. I forgot, you were the guy who got me going on these, thanks again buddy. My Bowen synths are reigning supremely from using these. Especially when I sweep them via the expression pedal wnich is tied by MIDI to LFO 1. The Kyma wav's using this which are looped, just make my knees quiver. GaryB heard these for the first time and really enjoyed the layered sounds, and he really freaked at the sound of the C4T going through the SSB Modulator I stuck inside of SpaceF's Synth FX delay device.

I did have some trouble w/ the WAV Osc's in Solaris at first, but JB sent me a VXD . DSP file that seemed to fix everything. ProWave's WAV Oscillators are flawless, and @ 96k recording w/ a touch of PsyQ are nothing short of stunning. There can not possibly be a better sounding synth soft or hard.

Be Free, Be Modular,

hifiboom · Post by **hifiboom** » Wed Jul 04, 2007 9:59 am

but JB sent me a VXD . DSP file that seemed to fix everything

Jimmy thats an interesting point.

Ben Walker · Post by **Ben Walker** » Thu Jul 05, 2007 12:58 am

OK, I dug out my old emails to John last night and did some more investigation.

The only Zarg synth that I've ever had the 'reboot when using wav oscillator' problem with is the Pro-Wave. I've used all the other Zarg synths with the wav oscillator a lot and they've never caused a reboot, so I'm sure the problem is something specific to the Pro-Wave. It doesn't always cause a reboot, but I can give you exact steps to create the problem.

However, playing with the Pro-Wave again last night (v1.2) I think I might have found a way to overcome the problem. I can still get it to crash, but it may be that if you do things in a certain order, you can avoid the crashes. I need to do a bit more investigation before I can be certain, but last night was certainly promising. Expect a bit more from me in a couple of days when I've had a chance to play around a bit more.

I've never experienced the other problem you mention, but that may be because I couldn't use the Wav Oscillators in Pro-Wave without crashing before.

Bye for now,
Ben

PS I never experienced this problem with the Modular Wav oscillator either - I spent a lot of time using that when I built the Jaded800 patch, and this never happened to me.

PPS Jimmy, sorry for hijacking your thread like this! I'll start a new thread in the Modular forum to discuss FIII patches.

johnbowen · Post by **johnbowen** » Thu Jul 05, 2007 10:08 pm

Ben,

Please let me know what you find as well.

You guys need to email me directly about these things, because of course, I hate to read anything about my stuff causing crashes (and I don't always get up here in the forum to stay up on such matters)!!!!

-JB

Ben Walker · Post by **Ben Walker** » Fri Jul 06, 2007 12:56 am

Hi John, hifiboom,

I've uploaded some Wav based Pro-Wave presets in the presets forum, and in that post I've described how to avoid the crashing. Following these instructions I was able to play with the Pro-Wave for 1 hour without any crashes, so it definitely works for me. Manually initialising the Wav Oscillators before loading the presets seems to be the key. John, I don't know if this will help you at all in working out what's going on. hifiboom, let me know if you get any crashes, or any of the other strange behaviour you described when using these presets. They now work faultlessly for me.

Ben

hifiboom · Post by **hifiboom** » Fri Jul 06, 2007 6:14 am

I wanted to point out that I mainly talk about the MODULAR WAV oscillators.

An that shutdown problem mainly occured when dropping wave files into the sample pool as I remeber correctly.

So it does not have much to with JB synths at all. Maybe I have an individual problem with my system and the sample pool device.