NEED advice pleassee!

katano · Post by **katano** » Wed Mar 21, 2007 4:20 am

Stompa81 wrote:
katano wrote: all i want to say is that if you consider to do 'serious' multitracking (24 channels), mixing and mastering in scope, you should get at least two scope pros 2nd generation. for my needs, it wasn't even enough. i'm working with 3 scope pros now...

cheers
roman
Would this be the case for making a typical dance track?? need 3 pro's?? or is it more for recording pourposes??

maybe i've special needs, look at my previous post. i do recording, mixing, mastering all in the same project. i had the problem that my projects needed near 100% of the dsps. when this is the case, you can't fiddle around with some new effects i.e. without having dsp overloads an that stuff, i hate that. that's why i added a third scope pro...

you can of course split these steps and save loads of dsp. for a standard rock project you may could work with a single scope pro. for dance music it depends on how many synths and poliphony on these you need...

cheers
roman

tgstgs · Post by **tgstgs** » Wed Mar 21, 2007 10:36 am

to eric

true tape analog simulator sounds very good does this include Hdrecording like vdat without wav or asio ??

mabe its explained in anouncement or your homepage anyway will do a search . . . .

good vibes to france

judiefre1 · Post by **judiefre1** » Wed Mar 21, 2007 2:23 pm

"9 masterverbs if a type 1 board runs together with at least 1 type 2 board, versus 12 masterverbs in a pure type 2 setup
as a rule of thumb: the presence of a type one board 'steals' 25% of the possible PCI bandwidth"
So if this is true than there is a loss in performance with a type 1 card connected to a type 2 using I/O. Would u guys consider this true and if so a big enough difference to go towards 2 type 2 cards but with 6 less dsp's???thnxs

astroman · Post by **astroman** » Wed Mar 21, 2007 4:46 pm

well, the statement is first of all for correctness sake - since a type 1 board benefits from the improved latency of the newer cards, it kind of looks like it has turned magically into one of the latter

the one and only thing this 'performance loss' is about, is PCI bandwidth - nothing else. No difference in sound, identical number of voices, graphic etc.

PCI bandwidth is only relevant for big reverbs and delays - in fact this case is more or less restricted to the STW A100 and P100. But these reverbs are world class reverbs and extremely cheap (don't be fooled by the price!), so there is some practical relevance indeed.

Next comes a high number of ASIO channels, but that's it about 'PCI bandwidth'
For any Scope based 'synth rack' it's meaningless, as for eqs, compressors modulation effects...

the mixture of some cards can be problematic, and some type 1 boards don't even seem to work at all on some chipsets.
As mentioned it's not 100% predictable, so for simplicity I'd rather prefer 2nd generation cards. Next (imho) would be a 6 DSP card plus an old 15 DSP extender (called SRB).
I would avoid 3 DSP cards and combinations with them just to be on the safe side - there are numerous such systems that work perfectly, though.

cheers, Tom

dawman · Post by **dawman** » Wed Mar 21, 2007 5:10 pm

I mix both Type I's, and Type II's. I found that the card w/ I/O/s works much better if the Type II is used, and the Type I cards just add their DSP's.

Be a FAT BASTARD if you plan on playing gigs, and use 3 x 15 DSP's. I tried using the 6 DSP cards @ first w/ Gigastudio, and they worked fine. But once you start using Modular, or Bowen's heavenly created synths, the 6's just won't do.

I have 3 DAW's, 2 of them have 3 x 15 DSP cards, and one has 1 x 15, and 2 x 6's. I never thought my addiction would be cured. But w/ the 3 x 15 card DAW's I have reached Nirvana, Valhalla, and Heaven. You can create your dreams in one of those.

Strength And Honor,

Immanuel · Post by **Immanuel** » Wed Mar 21, 2007 10:44 pm

Just a note: Generation1 cards where not made as 15dsp boosters. But if someone took of the i/o plate, it will ofcoarse look like a booster.

astroman · Post by **astroman** » Thu Mar 22, 2007 1:04 am

Keyboards 9/99
Scope including IO card and (DP)software 8.200 Euro
SRB 15 DSPs 3000 Euro
IO-plate 750 Euro
DP software (15 DSP card required) 2300 Euro
Syncplate 250 Euro
A16 external Adat converter 850 Euro

cheers, Tom

katano · Post by **katano** » Thu Mar 22, 2007 1:08 am

astroman wrote:Keyboards 9/99
Scope including IO card and (DP)software 8.200 Euro
SRB 15 DSPs 3000 Euro
IO-plate 750 Euro
DP software (15 DSP card required) 2300 Euro
Syncplate 250 Euro
A16 external Adat converter 850 Euro

cheers, Tom

Immanuel · Post by **Immanuel** » Thu Mar 22, 2007 1:14 am

Immanuel wrote:Just a note: Generation1 cards where not made as 15dsp boosters. But if someone took of the i/o plate, it will ofcoarse look like a booster.

Ok, Tom proved me wrong.

astroman · Post by **astroman** » Thu Mar 22, 2007 1:15 am

yeah Roman, it was a 5 pages review about DP by R. Hain, and the topic '... how can you review a developement system without actually developing something ?...' was about the making of Saturn in quite some details - lots of internal routings etc

cheers, Tom

Immanuel, I just needed a reason to post the old prices

katano · Post by **katano** » Thu Mar 22, 2007 1:18 am

Immanuel wrote:
Immanuel wrote:Just a note: Generation1 cards where not made as 15dsp boosters. But if someone took of the i/o plate, it will ofcoarse look like a booster.
Ok, Tom proved me wrong.

yep, i had one, too. now it's in the property of a famous guy from las vegas...

cheers
roman

kylie · Post by **kylie** » Thu Mar 22, 2007 1:27 am

katano wrote: yep, i had one, too. now it's in the property of a famous guy from las vegas...

who is it? siegfried or roy?

kylie · Post by **kylie** » Thu Mar 22, 2007 1:28 am

astroman wrote:Keyboards 9/99
Scope including IO card and (DP)software 8.200 Euro
SRB 15 DSPs 3000 Euro
IO-plate 750 Euro
DP software (15 DSP card required) 2300 Euro
Syncplate 250 Euro
A16 external Adat converter 850 Euro

seems self-assembling the booster with i/o and seperately buying DP saved you about 2000EU... ?!
strange... I would have expected it the other way round...

-greetings, markus-