Hi,
could someone explain me why there is no Scope MIDI sequencer, something more ergonomic than the ones in the modular?
such a thing is easy to program, and don't take a lot of ressources (see here : http://www.ucapps.de/midibox_seq.html what it's possible to do just with a PIC microcontroller...
What I need is just to be abble to do music without the need to buy a third party software!!
here is no way to add MIDI track to Vdat soft?
something as simple as Fruity Loop would be suffisant..
maybe this lack is due to the low performance Gui of scope?
full integrated sequencer?
a PIC microcontroller isn't 'just' a simple thing, but a pretty sophisticated device in it's domain.
The Scope programming (and in particular the use of DSPs) doesn't offer any advantage over the 'classic' low level interface to native midi processing.
As you can easily exchange midi data (via sequencer source/destination) with any native application, there has never been a need to extend SFP midi capabilities into that direction.
It doesn't matter at all under which environment you run the code - there ARE tons of routines in SFP that are executed on the CPU anyway
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cheers, Tom
The Scope programming (and in particular the use of DSPs) doesn't offer any advantage over the 'classic' low level interface to native midi processing.
As you can easily exchange midi data (via sequencer source/destination) with any native application, there has never been a need to extend SFP midi capabilities into that direction.
It doesn't matter at all under which environment you run the code - there ARE tons of routines in SFP that are executed on the CPU anyway
you wouldn't spent your cash on a SFP device either, wouldn't you ?moxi wrote:...What I need is just to be abble to do music without the need to buy a third party software!!
..not sure if the folks who made Fruity will be amused about that statement....something as simple as Fruity Loop would be suffisant...
cheers, Tom
Astroman is correct, in Scope terms midi is Async and calculated on the cpu, giving you no real benefit over any other solution. So in reality it would just be yet another application Creamware would have to develop & maintain with limited resources and it would likely lag far behind their main products since there are already plenty of alternatives for midi sequencing on the software market with a decent mature codebase.
There are quite a few FREE applications on the market to do multitrack midi sequencing & editing. If you're loathe to spend money in addition to purchasing your Scope, you might try one of these.
There are quite a few FREE applications on the market to do multitrack midi sequencing & editing. If you're loathe to spend money in addition to purchasing your Scope, you might try one of these.
in fact ,it's not just a money related, I'm dreaming about stopping to switch between Scope and Logic windows -
and it's related too to the fact that an integrated seq could be more ergonomic (i.e. to load synth directly on tracks, without the need of channel config, simplest recording of parameter changes, no more useless asio processing. for system stability too, as the OS won't have to deal anymore with many apps...
(btw: maybe you know how to avoid to get "asio overload" message when switching between Scope and Logic? I think i've missed some usefull config'!)
best regards.
and it's related too to the fact that an integrated seq could be more ergonomic (i.e. to load synth directly on tracks, without the need of channel config, simplest recording of parameter changes, no more useless asio processing. for system stability too, as the OS won't have to deal anymore with many apps...
(btw: maybe you know how to avoid to get "asio overload" message when switching between Scope and Logic? I think i've missed some usefull config'!)
Yes , that's not elegant, what I mean is something as simple as the "step" interface of FruityQuote:
something as simple as Fruity Loop would be suffisant...
not sure if the folks who made Fruity will be amused about that statement....
best regards.
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rather call it sarcasm ...moxi wrote: strange irony...
Are you related to the seller staff of creamware?
I think I can spend the bucks for one more Luna card if it's needed to run such an app....
this may be the best sounding, but probably the by far worst selling audio platform of the universe... (regarding aquired devices independant from hardware sales and in particular regarding 3rd party products)
I'm in no way related to CWA and I'm consistent with this statement over several years - you may use the search function and dig back in time...
you seem to have a not so precise idea about developement costs in general or the return on investment that a single Luna (aka Scope home) sale brings....
your wish (to avoid Logic) is far from humble, an as bold should be your willingness to pay for it
cheers, Tom (kidding)
...no, i've no precise idea about dev. cost, mainly cause I'm working for open source projectyou seem to have a not so precise idea about developement costs in general or the return on investment that a single Luna (aka Scope home) sale brings....
.... on the other hand, if Creamware would share their source-code (instead of being paranoiac) ,sure, they will sell 500 000 cards over the word.. but it's another discussion.best regards for all the third party devices developer!
thank for your time.
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you're welcome... 
but what about your own version of respect in your post starting the thread... it's easy... etc
obviously you did not use the search function...
this platform is a very affordable environment if you're after top quality audio
it's NOT a 'soundcard'
theprice is ridiculously low compared to gear with an equivalent quality - and it IS hardware
I have some world-class synths and FX for barely nothing - I just mention 3
John Bowen's Quantum Wave - the closest thing to crazy (the Waldorf Wave) that exists
SpaceF's Echo3 I-dunno-what-to-call-that-monster-delay, which could make any Dub fan break out in tears or NI guitar rig users throw their pedal out of the window
Warp69's PT100/CD100 reverb combo of the Lexicon class
I think I paid 340 Euro for all together, and I call that not only rock-bottom, it's an offence if you have only a vague idea about the quantity range in which those plugins were sold.
THAT is a sad matter of fact - and respectless.
Those people put a lot of talent and work in their devices and made something affordable that's normally out of reach for most of us - but the resonance (as far as numbers have been published) was simply a shame...
cheers, Tom
but what about your own version of respect in your post starting the thread... it's easy... etc
obviously you did not use the search function...
this platform is a very affordable environment if you're after top quality audio
it's NOT a 'soundcard'
theprice is ridiculously low compared to gear with an equivalent quality - and it IS hardware
I have some world-class synths and FX for barely nothing - I just mention 3
John Bowen's Quantum Wave - the closest thing to crazy (the Waldorf Wave) that exists
SpaceF's Echo3 I-dunno-what-to-call-that-monster-delay, which could make any Dub fan break out in tears or NI guitar rig users throw their pedal out of the window
Warp69's PT100/CD100 reverb combo of the Lexicon class
I think I paid 340 Euro for all together, and I call that not only rock-bottom, it's an offence if you have only a vague idea about the quantity range in which those plugins were sold.
THAT is a sad matter of fact - and respectless.
Those people put a lot of talent and work in their devices and made something affordable that's normally out of reach for most of us - but the resonance (as far as numbers have been published) was simply a shame...
cheers, Tom
Why didn't you say so from the beginning
wolf is your man
http://www.worldless.com/sfp/ss.html
scope step sequencer extraordinaire!
wolf is your man
http://www.worldless.com/sfp/ss.html
scope step sequencer extraordinaire!
hehe perhaps what you want exists after all! And you can still run Logic alongside that.
Also, the ASIO Overload messages in Logic are quite annoying and setting to abovenormal isn't necessarily going to avoid them. There is an option somewhere to disable that particular message, I usually leave the setting sucn that it disables it. The midi error message unfort. doesn't have the same setting and my JD800 likes to give the occasional error due to active sensing, really annoying when your whole production loses sync during a bounce just because of a single dropped active sensing msg.
Anyway...
Also, the ASIO Overload messages in Logic are quite annoying and setting to abovenormal isn't necessarily going to avoid them. There is an option somewhere to disable that particular message, I usually leave the setting sucn that it disables it. The midi error message unfort. doesn't have the same setting and my JD800 likes to give the occasional error due to active sensing, really annoying when your whole production loses sync during a bounce just because of a single dropped active sensing msg.
Anyway...