Which one is more suitable reverb for big Hollywood orchestra sound, the SonicTimeworks A-100 or Masterverb Pro?
I would like to buy either one.
Thanks.
hc.
STW A-100 or Masterverb Pro for orcehstra reverb?
I have the A100 & masterverb pro, I prefer the A100 (there is a demo available have a listen, I dont think there is one for masterverb pro though) particularly for providing a sense of space. Masterverb pro is lighter on dsp (with purchasing any creamware plugs I've generally found its worth waiting till they announce specials )
I have the A100 & masterverb pro, I prefer the A100 (there is a demo available have a listen, I dont think there is one for masterverb pro though) particularly for providing a sense of space. Masterverb pro is lighter on dsp (with purchasing any creamware plugs I've generally found its worth waiting till they announce specials )
seriously, I think all convolution reverbs suck in the high and low end frequency ranges...kensuguro wrote:get some sort of convolution verb.
For voices and mid ranging sounds they sound good and realistic....
I think impulses will never capture the quality of real f units like a Lexicon or other units...
thats my opinion and I`ve done my own tests....
with convolution you`ll get some white noise response with higher frequency ranges which you don`t get with a reverb processor.....
A static impulse will never capture the tricks reverb developers will do to make the tails sound more alive and moving....
And it kills evrey modulation on the tail.....
I`m still a big fan of the Behringer V-Verb Pro unit which really shines with some nice and smooth and also realistic reverbs....
And can be easily integrated into scope via two adat connections and the optical in out on the v-verb.
I`ve added some sounds from the v-verb pro....
Warps reverbs are also top-notch, and I also like the Masterverb Pro, but I think it is slightly behind the other two...
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The good thing with the v-verb is, you can dial in 90% wet and it still sounds good, this is something you cannot do with low class units....
And if I use convolution in a mix, I always felt that that it does not clue together perfect with a mix....
So my recomendation is: V-VERB Pro or Warps reverbs and maybe the DAS reverb which is also good, but not very flexible.... you get one sound and thats all....
at the end its all in your hands and depends on your taste.
But I would take the V-Verb Pro for your tasks... It can achieve pretty close results to what the Quantec Yardstick does, which is mainly used for realistic sounding spaces(movie and orchestra)....
I have more examples even some comparisons between quantec samples and the v-verb, if you are interested....
you can achieve ultra long clean tails clouds...
And the best the unit is cheaper than the plug-ins and doesn`t take any resources from your dsp card...
The good thing with the v-verb is, you can dial in 90% wet and it still sounds good, this is something you cannot do with low class units....
And if I use convolution in a mix, I always felt that that it does not clue together perfect with a mix....
So my recomendation is: V-VERB Pro or Warps reverbs and maybe the DAS reverb which is also good, but not very flexible.... you get one sound and thats all....
at the end its all in your hands and depends on your taste.
But I would take the V-Verb Pro for your tasks... It can achieve pretty close results to what the Quantec Yardstick does, which is mainly used for realistic sounding spaces(movie and orchestra)....
I have more examples even some comparisons between quantec samples and the v-verb, if you are interested....
you can achieve ultra long clean tails clouds...
And the best the unit is cheaper than the plug-ins and doesn`t take any resources from your dsp card...
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the sonictimeworks are excellent and are cheap... Remember that you need a second generation system to run those reverbs smoothly (otherwise you might get pci overflows because of the bandwidth). I only know STW and masterverb pro ; i would say that a good combination of both is all what you need for all your projects...
Re: STW A-100 or Masterverb Pro for orcehstra reverb?
is the 'Hollywood' attribute above intended to describe the 'style' of an isolated piece of music or is it related to a real video/game soundtrack ?Hangee_77 wrote:Which one is more suitable reverb for big Hollywood orchestra sound, the SonicTimeworks A-100 or Masterverb Pro?...
cheers, Tom
imho a reverb doesn't 'bombast' anything at all on it's own - that's the part of the arrangement and instrument choice. The reverb more or less supplies the 'melting pot' to bring those things together.
I can't really comment on the original question as I don't have Masterverb Pro.
Guessing from the 'standard' MV it might be interesting to use (a resource efficient) standard MV as a type of pre-processing with (possibly) different spatial settings on instrument groups and add a big room with the A100 on top of that.
Delaying groups might also work to add some depth.
The A100 is a very special beast - it can do marvels on ambiences (well, obviously it's got the A in it's name with some intention...), but there are lots of reverb tasks where it equally fails.
That's why I'd consider a 'best reverb of all' attribute as a no-go in itself
I dunno the reason for this effect, but I've observed a couple of times that the A100 not only added space, but additionally seemed to 'smooth out' things in a very pleasant way.
It's the only device of it's kind which I'd apply on a complete mix.
cheers, Tom
I can't really comment on the original question as I don't have Masterverb Pro.
Guessing from the 'standard' MV it might be interesting to use (a resource efficient) standard MV as a type of pre-processing with (possibly) different spatial settings on instrument groups and add a big room with the A100 on top of that.
Delaying groups might also work to add some depth.
The A100 is a very special beast - it can do marvels on ambiences (well, obviously it's got the A in it's name with some intention...), but there are lots of reverb tasks where it equally fails.
That's why I'd consider a 'best reverb of all' attribute as a no-go in itself
I dunno the reason for this effect, but I've observed a couple of times that the A100 not only added space, but additionally seemed to 'smooth out' things in a very pleasant way.
It's the only device of it's kind which I'd apply on a complete mix.
cheers, Tom
if you unzip the archiv into your SFP directory (use the zip mode that doesn't ignore the pathnames) then all should go into the proper folder.
anyway, the CP3.dsp -> sfp\app\bin\dsp
all .pre files -> your preeset folder
all .mdl files -> spf\devices\effects\stereo\reverb
to have them appear insert-menus, any other directory under devices works, too
you can ignore that serial number (if it's a 5-figure thing) - it's generated by their shop software automatically (for their native devices or whatever)
you'll likely suffer the registration blues over the weekend...
if you use the A100 for the first time, it will pop-up with a request-string/registration dialog
copy the string and send it via email to Ralf rb - at - creamware.de
it's not likely that he's on the job though the weekend..., but you may try anyway - usually he's very prompt to generate the keys if (!) the email comes through.
cheers, Tom
anyway, the CP3.dsp -> sfp\app\bin\dsp
all .pre files -> your preeset folder
all .mdl files -> spf\devices\effects\stereo\reverb
to have them appear insert-menus, any other directory under devices works, too
you can ignore that serial number (if it's a 5-figure thing) - it's generated by their shop software automatically (for their native devices or whatever)
you'll likely suffer the registration blues over the weekend...
if you use the A100 for the first time, it will pop-up with a request-string/registration dialog
copy the string and send it via email to Ralf rb - at - creamware.de
it's not likely that he's on the job though the weekend..., but you may try anyway - usually he's very prompt to generate the keys if (!) the email comes through.
cheers, Tom