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A strange idea about next hardware from Creamware.

Post by erminardi »

Maybe a little utopistic or strange, but, it could be, IMO, a wonderful

product an external box that read only one synthesizer or effect once,

but not with programmability inside, just a box that read only the

uploaded synth+presets and play it.

The user has the original plugin registred to his Scope card and he can

program his own presets.
Then, when the programming work is finished, he can upload his

dev+preset+licence reference to this external box, that allow the

portability (and a obvious DSP upgrade to his original Scope card).
It could be just a Klangbox with inside a exact copy of i.e. one Scope

Project or Pro card, with a custom OS that allow device+preset+licence

reference upload/download. This box is registred to only one Scope card

to deny software transfer piracy or commercial plugins.
It could be MIDI/USB interfaced just for up/download & midi control.

Imagine how wonderful could be to have an external expansion for your

existing Scope pro setup?
It's a sort of new "device" for your belowed "old" Scope system that

works also standalone and could be ported away for i.e. live gig as MIDI

expander or ported to your laptop as sound expander.
It's relatively symple to build and (I think) cheap to sell (just as

klangbox philosophy) and it has a great market potential: imagine that

almost every actual Scope customer want one of this (or more) and new

customers that comes from ASB/Klangbox world can be attracted from the

Scope boards for the box customizing.
Just imagine to port to your gig your i.e. custom wonderful Modular Patch

or your Solaris, or your BiOsc, or your Minimax, your DubSub, etc.
Or imagine to port to your gig your JM dynatube with a midi pedalboard...

or your Vinco, or your simple delay...
Remember that witha an external midi knob controller U can tweak existing

presets ;)
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Post by djmicron »

something in the way of noah ?
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Post by irrelevance »

Thats a fantastic idea imo erminardi! I would love something like that :) I guess costs could be kept down if it was just a preset machine and not a control surface also. Something like this would ensure future plugin sales would continue as it would be ideal for a scope newcomer and also seasoned scope users.

But then why be limited to one device? Surely the dsp would be the limit that or the users current available plugins. I'm all for a stripped down (although not limited like noah) scope in a box that could be a blank slate for plugins and free from all OS
I'm not sure I understand your security policy though. Are you saying that if someone had more than one of these units that they would not be able to upload the already registered device to the second external unit?
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Post by firubbi »

My dream is a external DSP box that is equivalent to 4 or 5 srb :D
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Post by erminardi »

Mh, yes it seems the same thing, but (a lot) less expensive, in the way of Klangbox.
Noah is also an audiocard, hosts more than one plugs and has contoroller/display.
Now, I really don't know if the actual klangbox hardware is suitable for my proposal, only Creamware knows.
Obviously I knok that this idea for Cream could be scary...
IMO the Noah idea was very innovative, but expensive & without a good advertising campain and alot of promotion (endorsing, meeting show, etc.) was also a flop :(
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Post by erminardi »

irrelevance wrote:I'm not sure I understand your security policy though. Are you saying that if someone had more than one of these units that they would not be able to upload the already registered device to the second external unit?
Actually, the security policy for the Scope boards is the same: you can't load the same plugin in 2 different separate boards... I have 2 PC with 2 Scope systems (all registred to my name) and I must buy twice :(
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Post by astroman »

...Imagine how wonderful could be to have an external expansion for your existing Scope pro setup? ...
this is not possible as you cannot (simply) map s/tdm traffic to usb or firewire - even if you could it would introduce latency way beyond of what's currently experienced when the processing code crosses dsp boundaries...
you know what I mean, don't you ? ;)
so we'd be back at good old adat, and even that is 10 samples per path

but I can do almost everything you mention with a Scope card running under Win98, autostarting into a specific SFP project, in a box with a sh*tty VIA C3 or so from a 1 GB flash disk.
With some mechanical effort (slot direction changer) it could be made into a cute 1 unit box. These things run from notebook PSUs anyway, which would fit into the case, too.
Win98 may be a technological piece of crap, but just booting one single program is not too demanding, even for it's humble abilities...

cheers, Tom
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Post by erminardi »

Astroman, do you can explain better your "Flash HD solution"?
Wich flash HD product U use? Any link?
Where I can find it and the cost, please?
It seems a very interesting argument...

Thanks in advance :)
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Post by astroman »

well, it's probably (more or less) outdated from what the PC supplier tells me... :P
since recent mobos can boot from USB they now prefer fast sticks (cheaper).

I have absolutely no idea how the 'flash mapping' to reduce wear out is handled in various devices, let alone the physically different implementation.
The 1 GB cost me 150 Euro back then, sits on the end of an ATA connector (it's 0.5 inch high) and was supposed to replace a harddisk (by the manufacturer).

Possibly a 15 Euro stick on USB 2 does the same today - but I haven't tried it :P

at least Scope runs perfectly on a stripped down Win98 - didn't even complain about a 64K(!) Byte swapfile - as you can read above that mem is just too expensive for Win's braindamaged memory handling... ;)

I didn't exactly plan this for Scope - I wanted a notebook alternative - but I've plugged the Pulsar into one of those tiny VIAs (curiosity) and it ran much better than expected. I put the Pulsar back into the TUSL P3 mobo after that.

If I wanted this portable and on stage, I'd buy a DJ case, mount the TFT where the mixer usually is, and have the A16 at the position of the double-cd.
The Mini ITX Via has the advantage of a super-tiny PSU, but one could also mount a micro ATX board into such a box.
It's the poor man's version of Jimmy V's SKB rigs :D

cheers, Tom
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