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OK..........so I'm playing back a mix in Cubase SX and .....

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I've got 40 mono tracks ASIO'ed to the Scope mixer. I've got a Steinberg Houston controller handling the fader levels in Cubase but since these are mono tracks being routed *from Cubase*, I will need to do my panning in the Scope mixer. When I click on a mixer channel in the Scope mixer, all audio playback stops in Cubase and it takes it a while to regroup and start playing again.

It will obviously be impossble to mix this way so what's s the trick O' wise Pulsarians?

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One word: system priority

Also, have you optimized your OS for audio-work?

In addition to panning I would use the volume faders in Scope as well.
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hmm, it should be possible to do this. in cubase do you have "release asio driver in backround" checked? if so uncheck it(i think it's in device setup/advanced).

the priority for cubase should be set to "above normal". this is usually automatic upon opening cubase, however.
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voidar wrote:One word: system priority

Also, have you optimized your OS for audio-work?

In addition to panning I would use the volume faders in Scope as well.
System is optomized for audio work. I guess I'll look around for the "system priority" setting.

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garyb wrote:hmm, it should be possible to do this. in cubase do you have "release asio driver in backround" checked? if so uncheck it(i think it's in device setup/advanced).

the priority for cubase should be set to "above normal". this is usually automatic upon opening cubase, however.
Got it. I had the release ASIO driver checked.

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Re: OK..........so I'm playing back a mix in Cubase SX and .

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DJ wrote:.... but since these are mono tracks being routed *from Cubase*, I will need to do my panning in the Scope mixer.
As ASIO channels are stereo, this isn't strictly true; you can adjust the panning in the Cubase mixer if you like (alhough I personally do all my mixing in Scope).
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Counterparts wrote:
DJ wrote:.... but since these are mono tracks being routed *from Cubase*, I will need to do my panning in the Scope mixer.
As ASIO channels are stereo, this isn't strictly true; you can adjust the panning in the Cubase mixer if you like (alhough I personally do all my mixing in Scope).
Could you elaborate on this? I can assign mono tracks to stereo busses in Cubase SX and pan them but they still sum mono as long as all channels in the Scope mixer are centerpanned.

What am I missing here?

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I think he means you can output a stereo-channel for each mono-track in Cubase and send them to its own stereo mixer-channel in Scope.

Then, if you leave the mixer-controlls alone you could do all your panning and fading in Cubase.
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voidar wrote:I think he means you can output a stereo-channel for each mono-track in Cubase and send them to its own stereo mixer-channel in Scope.

Then, if you leave the mixer-controlls alone you could do all your panning and fading in Cubase.
Thanks............

This is what I was doing. My situation was pilot error. I had some patch points wrong and there was no way it could work.

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DJ,
You can send your two mono tracks at cubase panned hard left and hard right to a Cubase sub which outputs to ASIO 1&2.
No on Scope mixer like 2448 you attcha the ASIO 1&2 destination to either 2448 1 & 2 selecting mono on them (if they are mono in Cubase) or select 2448 channel 1 as stareo and work as a stereo pair.
You probably know this but anyway I tried...
I DO NOT use any fader or pan movement (hard left and right) in Cubase in order to avoid f... up the sound.


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Dimitrios
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musurgio wrote:DJ,
You can send your two mono tracks at cubase panned hard left and hard right to a Cubase sub which outputs to ASIO 1&2.
No on Scope mixer like 2448 you attcha the ASIO 1&2 destination to either 2448 1 & 2 selecting mono on them (if they are mono in Cubase) or select 2448 channel 1 as stareo and work as a stereo pair.
You probably know this but anyway I tried...
I DO NOT use any fader or pan movement (hard left and right) in Cubase in order to avoid f... up the sound.


Regards,
Dimitrios
Ah.......so you're hearing a smaller soundstage too? :wink: There are so many variables to check to compare the pan law between Cubase as standalone, Cubase mono tracks being sent to stereo busses and then panned in Cubase through stereo tracks the Scope mixer, Cubase streaming mono tracks to Pulsar and these being panned "with" the Scope mixer and Paris (which I'm still comparing BTW-it's got such a big open soundstage that I haven't ruled out using it yet). I also see where you're coming from as far as fader levels are concerned. It's just so convenient to do everything with a controller that is so well integrated with Cubase. I wish my Houston controller was mapped to the Scope mixer. I'll see if I can get that to happen in the next few days thought I'm wondering about fader automation relative to the timeline. An automated fader move has to reference a certain point in time. Unless Cubase was sync'ed to something like a BRC (or the Paris ADAT output-which would also restrict sample rates to 48k) sending to the Pulsar II card would fader automation even be possible in Scope relative to the timeline in Cubase? I have succeeded in syncing this entire system to the Paris ADAT sync port so I will do some more experimentation.

My head may explode soon............ :D
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DJ,
You can also use VDAT to make your ultimade audio recordings at a mind blowing 32bit integer (fixed) resolution !
The qulaity is way better compared to cubase recording !
Youy can chain many VDAT for multitrack recording, you can use wavelab for audio editing and then back to vdat !
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voidar wrote:I think he means you can output a stereo-channel for each mono-track in Cubase and send them to its own stereo mixer-channel in Scope.
Aye; every track in Cubase (whether mono or stereo) has to be sent to an ASIO (i.e. stereo) bus to route it into Scope.

For 'true mono' instruments (AKA guitar) I usually pan hard-left or hard-right in Cubase then route the appropriate side of the ASIO channel (i.e. the left or the right side) to a mono channel in Scope's mixer. I can then pan in the Scope mixer.

Alternatively, you could send the mono instrument to an ASIO channel routed to a stereo channel in the Scope mixer, which would allow you to pan it in Cubase.
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Post by voidar »

I think 2-bit float recording vs. 32-bit integer recording are of equal quality.
Read this http://www.planetz.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=20251

In mixing 32-bit intgere is supperior though, which is what most of us conclude.
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