A simple routing question......

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areptiledysfunction
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A simple routing question......

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I want to route in series from a digital mixer *through* Pulsar cards, applying insert FX in Scope while routing in parallel through 4 x external hardware processors.

Digital mixer will be referred to as DM as physical patching will be done as follows:

40 Pulsar ADAT inputs and outputs patched to 40 ADAT DM inputs and outputs for processing the audio tracks in series.

RME ADI4 DD AES-to ADAT format converter patched to AES I/O of 4 x different external hardware processors and the physical routing of these so that they are available to the pulsar mixer and the digital mixer will have them interconnected via lightpipe as follows:

DM ADAT outs > RME ADAT ins (signal sent to AES ins of FX hardware)
RME ADAT outs (signal returned from FX hardware)>Pulsar ADAT ins
Pulsar ADAT outs>DM ADAT ins.

Ok, since I'm a serious newbie with the Scope mixer, here's what I'm "thinking" may work for my purposes:

Route the 40 tracks that Pulsar is receiving from insert sends of the digital mixer in series from Pulsar sources to whatever insert FX and then directly to Pulsar destinations, returning them to the insert return of the digital mixer.

At the same time, tap any of these 40 channels to be processed in parallel by the 4 x hardware FX modules as follows:

For the hardware FX, create 4 x stereo I/O busses as stereo External FX using the source and destination points of the Pulsar ADAT I/O that is connected to the I/O of the RME ADI4 DD.

Load something like the STM 4896 mixer.

Route the Inputs L & R of the 4 x External FX modules to Aux 1 - 4
Route the outputs L & R of the External FX modules to the Rt L & R 1-4.

Since the incoming audio will be split off and passed through the mixer aux bus, processed there *per channel* and returned to the Pulsar external destination, the FX levels for each track can be controlled by a mixer fader in that particular STM channel and it can be further EQ'ed and processed within the mixer window if desired.....right?

This all assumes that I undertand my routing within the Scope mixer and that what is sent to the Aux patch points is automatically routed to the corresponding Rt patch points. Since it is not possible to draw the patch lines with the mouse, I'm assuming it is routed through the mixer by default. Am I missing anything???.......a whole lot maybe......?? :roll: :o :D I have not even had a chance to pass audio through a Pulsar card yet to see how the mixer works, but assuming the aux bussing is as I think it is, this would, in theory, work....maybe, sorta'...???

Thanks for your time if you made it though this without dozing off or walking away for a stiff drink, etc.....
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Post by areptiledysfunction »

So now I hear that the Scope mixer has direct outs so I can just route signal like a normal person. Man, this is nice. I've been in workaround mode for so long trying to get what I want routed from point A to "points beyond A" I've forgotten what a sane signal flow diagram looks like.

I think I'm gonna' like this system.
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Keep as much in the scope environment as you can. I used to use an external mixer (ramsa DA7) for AD/DA into scope and headphone send mixes only. Mixed as much as possible within scope with some outboard gear routed through the DA7. Used Nuendo like a tape deck only (with automation). It was very easy to use, and nice and stable as well.
Yes you will like the system!

Stuart.
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Post by areptiledysfunction »

bassdude wrote:Keep as much in the scope environment as you can. I used to use an external mixer (ramsa DA7) for AD/DA into scope and headphone send mixes only. Mixed as much as possible within scope with some outboard gear routed through the DA7. Used Nuendo like a tape deck only (with automation). It was very easy to use, and nice and stable as well.
Yes you will like the system!

Stuart.
Hi Stuart,

My digital mixer is actually another DAW with limited routing capabilities running on a second computer. It's a fairly large Paris system and if it didn't have such a great summing architecture, I'd have lost it years ago. It gainstages like an analog console. I've never seen or heard anything like it in the digital realm. I'm sure that Paris and Pulsar will coexist nicely with Pulsar making up for the shortcomings of Paris and then some. The Scope system looks to be what I had hoped Paris would become before it was torpedoed by the corporate mooks in a sale by Ensoniq to Creative Labs, then spun off by Creative to one if it's competitors, E-MU, to be killed off. Such a shame.

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Post by bassdude »

I see, i thought you were just using a standard outboard mixer! I see now the need for more thought in routing. Good luck. :)
Stuart.
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