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erminardi · Post by **erminardi** » Wed Oct 18, 2006 7:52 am

On 2006-10-18 08:31, Johannis wrote:
I would realy like to see this synth having the same pitch manipulation as the FM7.
I use the FM7 alot for the sole purpose of its pitch adjustments which allows me to create different Middle-East, Arab.. scales.
I've suggested in the Dev. wish list many times about developing a device for microtuning any of CW synths but I guess its not a popular demand.
I hate not being able to apply CW synths in some projects because no microtonic scales are possible.
So I compramise CW synths for vst synths because microtuning is possible.

If it is possible to include microtuning please do.

Maybe the best solution could be a midi device that allows microtuning for incoming MIDI standard scale signal.

decimator · Post by **decimator** » Wed Oct 18, 2006 12:29 pm

I'am Benoist Guitton so I'll try to answer some questions as best as I can

Microtuning ? I hope CWA will do something in the future but as for now ... this request is unfortunately too marginal, in the native world the lobbying seemed to pay rather well so I hope it will spread ...

For DX sysex ports, I'am afraid there's no solutions other than clumsy not faithful 100 % manual ports, also due to differences in specs ...

I own a FS1R which is 80 % old DX series presets " best of " so I will focus on " presets that matters " ports

Since I own a FS1R which is rather widely considered as an apex in FM why should I ask for more ?

The FS1R is cluttered by a billion of non vital parameters, even with the vital free PC / Mac editor, it's no small cheese !

So this FM synth in the making is designed as best as possible as a powerful " FM for dummies " and I'll be always a dummy in the front of FM synthesis very **huge** possibilities !

None other than pure virgin sine waves should be badly hurt in this synth, otherwise white noise may pop up too soon ...

As for those who care about SOUND at large, with added value of nice monitors I think you'll have plenty of glass / wall / mind shattering experiences !!!

Herr Voigt · Post by **Herr Voigt** » Wed Oct 18, 2006 1:36 pm

STS samplers allow microtuning.

YiannisK · Post by **YiannisK** » Wed Oct 18, 2006 1:56 pm

I know that Sts has microtuning to a degree but there is not enough fine tuning.
the degrees go +/-25cents if it were +/-50 cents that would havw been ideal.
+/-25 cents does not allow for desired scales.

YiannisK · Post by **YiannisK** » Wed Oct 18, 2006 1:58 pm

On 2006-10-18 13:29, decimator wrote:
I'am Benoist Guitton so I'll try to answer some questions as best as I can

Microtuning ? I hope CWA will do something in the future but as for now ... this request is unfortunately too marginal, in the native world the lobbying seemed to pay rather well so I hope it will spread ...

What exactly do you mean?
could you elaborate?

YiannisK · Post by **YiannisK** » Wed Oct 18, 2006 2:03 pm

Maybe the best solution could be a midi device that allows microtuning for incoming MIDI standard scale signal.

If someone could develpoe a device like that it would great!
(sorry this is of topic)

johnbowen · Post by **johnbowen** » Wed Oct 18, 2006 4:11 pm

YiannisK · Post by **YiannisK** » Wed Oct 18, 2006 5:01 pm

Hello John,
just like to apologise for not getting back to you, to thank you for helping me out with the Rd modules.
What happen was that I got it working and I started checking out the sounds so I sort of... well..lost track of time. hehe
You could say it was your fault for having such amazing stuff. lol

Anyway THANK YOU !!

As for Microtuning it would have been good if it was implemented inside your synth but an external module would be good aswell.
(if it could be made)

Anyways I can't come up with a name so far that would be worthy for your FM synth but if I do I'll send pm it to you.

keep doing what your doing, I enjoy all you work.

dawman · Post by **dawman** » Wed Oct 18, 2006 6:20 pm

Sorry For My Lack Of Knowledge,
Will this new beauty also contain the WAV Osc? I really like adding extra timbres into synths these days.

johnbowen · Post by **johnbowen** » Thu Oct 19, 2006 6:32 am

dawman · Post by **dawman** » Thu Oct 19, 2006 3:05 pm

I will buy it regardless. As I am sure it is like your other synths, way ahead of the competition, and beautifully unique. 400 USD sound about right?

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HUROLURA · Post by **HUROLURA** » Mon Oct 23, 2006 4:02 pm

johnbowen wrote:Hi PlanetZ readers-

Now, as for a brief description - it's got 8 FM operators and 8 multistage envelopes, 3 LFOs, a comprehensive modulation matrix, and my standard flanger/chorus and delay for effects.

Would it be possible for the oscillators to have a phase distortion mode (a PWM applied to a sine waveform roughly) ? That would allow to get some filter-like effects as there is no filter included.
Would you provide only sine waveform or a few other "simple" waveforms ?

CheerZ

HUROLURA · Post by **HUROLURA** » Mon Oct 23, 2006 4:05 pm

Regarding sysex to preset conversion: is there any information/documentation about scope preset file structure so that I could try to build up something usefull...

CheerZ

johnbowen · Post by **johnbowen** » Tue Oct 24, 2006 12:24 pm

johnbowen · Post by **johnbowen** » Tue Oct 24, 2006 12:29 pm

HUROLURA · Post by **HUROLURA** » Tue Oct 24, 2006 1:44 pm

Phase distortion does not use only sine oscillator but also other waveforms...

johnbowen · Post by **johnbowen** » Tue Oct 24, 2006 9:14 pm

johnbowen · Post by **johnbowen** » Tue Oct 24, 2006 9:51 pm

johnbowen wrote:[ the only one that provides phase control is the U KNOW Oscillator. I'll have to try audio rate control signals to see how it responds.

OK, just did a few quick tests...and the U KNOW's phase control does work at audio rates! Of course, you only have saw or pulse to control, no sine...but it might still be of interest so you.

In fact, My Orion Custom v3.0 synth has the U Know Osc, and there is the provision to modulate both phase settings of the saw and pulse waves at audio rates by using Osc 2 as a source (or even better, Env Osc 2 , which is the output of Osc 2 controlled by the Filter Envelope).

Funny, I had forgotten about that....

cheers,
John B.

p.s. you can also use the U KNOW Osc from my RD series II pack , as it provides a routing for the modulation to affect phase.

nprime · Post by **nprime** » Fri Nov 24, 2006 9:25 am

So John, did you get lots of suggestions?

Have you narrowed it down at all?

Rod

HUROLURA · Post by **HUROLURA** » Fri Nov 24, 2006 9:52 am

Hi,

Adern has something called phase distortion module in Flexor that should apply a phase distortion to an input signal.

I do not know if it is the same but as I just aquire Flexor because of winter specials, I will make a small attempt with a sine osc connected to this module and see what the result is...

With triangle waveform and phase distortion, you can achieve any waveform from saw to inverted saw.

With square waveform and phase distortion you can produce the well-known PWM oscillator modulation effect.

These are the first 2 waveforms of the CASIO Phase Distortion (2 out of 8, not that bad for a start).

CheerZ