Hi, and greetings to all of you. This is my first post to this forum.
I bought a pulsar v1. card with a16 (not ultra) yesterday. The card has been unused for a few years, and so the software is old.
Can someone tell me how I should upgrade the software? Is it free or does it cost something? Also, In the old software there is a lot of stuff you need to buy separately nowadays. If I upgrade, do I loose all the synths and stuff that I have on the older software version?
I bought Pulsar v1
I think you should be able to update the card to v4.5. Check out http://scope.creamware.com.
You'll get a lot of new devices too, but with only 4 DSP's you won't be able to use much at a time.
You'll get a lot of new devices too, but with only 4 DSP's you won't be able to use much at a time.
On one computer I'm also using an unupdated pulsar 1. I can't remember loosing any important thing.
For 4.0 you have to register for a new key, as far as I remember. It was for free, wasn't it?
TIP:
First install your version.
Save the whole folder (incl. devices, algos etc.)
Then you can install 4.5 - no problem.
Put the old folder in the new one, but don't let delete any new algos etc.
There is so much great freeware out here! I bet you won't miss anything.
If you have keys for any device you won't loose them. Ask the owner to give you his account at cw.
Martin
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For 4.0 you have to register for a new key, as far as I remember. It was for free, wasn't it?
TIP:
First install your version.
Save the whole folder (incl. devices, algos etc.)
Then you can install 4.5 - no problem.
Put the old folder in the new one, but don't let delete any new algos etc.
There is so much great freeware out here! I bet you won't miss anything.
If you have keys for any device you won't loose them. Ask the owner to give you his account at cw.
Martin
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I started with an old Pulsar 1 (now with P2 + PowerSampler as well)...
You need to register to get the keys, and you will be able to download SFP 4.0 for free, which will give a large number of devices. Paying for the upgrade to SFP 4.5 won't really be worth it as you won't have the DSPs to run the devices.
cheers.
You need to register to get the keys, and you will be able to download SFP 4.0 for free, which will give a large number of devices. Paying for the upgrade to SFP 4.5 won't really be worth it as you won't have the DSPs to run the devices.
cheers.
Thanks!
I will try to upgrade to 4.0 at this point then. I am also negotiating to get the second similar package. That would get me 32 in + 32 out via A16's, right? Plus the "snake" outputs and inputs on top of that.
I'm planning to use XTC functionality along with multiple outputs to get serious addition to my existing synth setup. The masterplan is to eventually get the computer to work as vst/xtc host and multitracker, and to leave the mixing for analog / digital mixing desk and outboard fx units.
I think I'll be shopping for used quality console next. =)
I don't know what is the normal price of second hand pulsars, but I got mine for peanuts. Other is from a friend who has pretty much left the musicmaking, and other is coming from the studio that upgraded to ProTools recently.
As they are old units, how low can the latency be? I can get down to 1ms with my present soundcard (M-Audio Delta).
Also, is it possible to run 2 pulsars and delta simultaneously?
I will try to upgrade to 4.0 at this point then. I am also negotiating to get the second similar package. That would get me 32 in + 32 out via A16's, right? Plus the "snake" outputs and inputs on top of that.
I'm planning to use XTC functionality along with multiple outputs to get serious addition to my existing synth setup. The masterplan is to eventually get the computer to work as vst/xtc host and multitracker, and to leave the mixing for analog / digital mixing desk and outboard fx units.
I think I'll be shopping for used quality console next. =)
I don't know what is the normal price of second hand pulsars, but I got mine for peanuts. Other is from a friend who has pretty much left the musicmaking, and other is coming from the studio that upgraded to ProTools recently.
As they are old units, how low can the latency be? I can get down to 1ms with my present soundcard (M-Audio Delta).
Also, is it possible to run 2 pulsars and delta simultaneously?
the p1s won't be that great for xtc mode. and the scope card has a great console. mix in scope and use your vst host still. have the best of both worlds!
yes, you'll have all that i/o.
p1s only allow a minimum latency of 13ms, ok for using vsts live, but not great. adding a p2, luna2, project, or professional will give you the benefits of the second generation cards; 3ms latency, better loading and better pci resource usage/management.
yes, you'll have all that i/o.
p1s only allow a minimum latency of 13ms, ok for using vsts live, but not great. adding a p2, luna2, project, or professional will give you the benefits of the second generation cards; 3ms latency, better loading and better pci resource usage/management.
I have 2 Pulsar Ones and can confirm what Gary writes, though that latency refers to Asio only.
All synths/samplers/fx from Scope are of course no latency (in practical terms) if 'produced' onboard on the Pulsar card, even on the old one.
Without VSTIs and the sequencer only 'tracking' it doesn't matter at all if it's 1 or 25 ms behind, as the monitor mix is realtime, making audible exactly what's going to file.
The lower PCI bandwidth (though only a concern with very heavy reverbs) would be my only complaint.
Anyway, at current prices the Pulsar 2 (aka Scope project) is unquestionable the better choice.
cheers, Tom
All synths/samplers/fx from Scope are of course no latency (in practical terms) if 'produced' onboard on the Pulsar card, even on the old one.
Without VSTIs and the sequencer only 'tracking' it doesn't matter at all if it's 1 or 25 ms behind, as the monitor mix is realtime, making audible exactly what's going to file.
The lower PCI bandwidth (though only a concern with very heavy reverbs) would be my only complaint.
Anyway, at current prices the Pulsar 2 (aka Scope project) is unquestionable the better choice.
cheers, Tom
Can this pci bandwith problem be helped by using Creamwares own bus? Also, how much mixer / eq can I use with just one v1 pulsar? Or two for that matter?
The one I already bought includes a first version of Timeworks reverb / eq. Is there upgrade policy for those? And if, does it cost to upgrade?
I'm afraid the newer cards, expecially the SRB or Scope Pro are right out of my pricerange at the moment. As would be Scope home if bought one as new as well.
The one I already bought includes a first version of Timeworks reverb / eq. Is there upgrade policy for those? And if, does it cost to upgrade?
I'm afraid the newer cards, expecially the SRB or Scope Pro are right out of my pricerange at the moment. As would be Scope home if bought one as new as well.
They make radio commercials mostly, and need environment and tools to get the job done fast and with maximum compatibility with other studios making vocal takes and music for those. As of wether ProTools is better or worse, I can't tell. I know they paid thousands of euros. And that because of it I will pay ten or two to get their old Pulsar rig. =)
As far as I'm concerned, ProTools can be as pro as they ever want for that price of ye olde Pulsar. =D
As far as I'm concerned, ProTools can be as pro as they ever want for that price of ye olde Pulsar. =D
yes, compatibility with other semi or big studios IS indeed important for some studios, i agree. And ProTools offers great transfer without much work within their own system. But I would call it proprietaryOn 2006-10-13 05:12, Joat wrote:
They make radio commercials mostly, and need environment and tools to get the job done fast and with maximum compatibility with other studios making vocal takes and music for those. As of wether ProTools is better or worse, I can't tell. I know they paid thousands of euros. And that because of it I will pay ten or two to get their old Pulsar rig. =)
As far as I'm concerned, ProTools can be as pro as they ever want for that price of ye olde Pulsar. =D
Nevertheless I understand when studios switch to protools cause of the reasons above...btw. i paid also thousands of euros for my scope setup. 2 x 15DSP Boards, nearby all Plugins, 2 x A16 Ultra. If you would buy all this new, it's near 7000 Eur with all the additional plugins... If I would count my Tfpro16 preamp also and some patchbays and cables, i could easily reach the 10k Euro mark...
the big advantage of the scope plattform, nearby the unique routing possibility, is it's scalability from a beginner setup with 1 Scope Home (Luna II) till a REAL pro setup with 3 Scope Professional cards...
just my (not really) neutral 2 swiss cents...
greez
Roman
How is the remote control of the SFP?
With ProTools you can have it as hands on as you can afford, but how is it with SFP? I read the manual of the biggest Scope mixer available, and noticed it is not entirely midicontrollable.
Now I do _not_ want to make this a discussion of ProTools vs. SFP.
I am asking this, because I recently stumbled upon http://www.ucapps.de and found the idea of building my own, purpose suited midicontroller very intriquing.
With ProTools you can have it as hands on as you can afford, but how is it with SFP? I read the manual of the biggest Scope mixer available, and noticed it is not entirely midicontrollable.
Now I do _not_ want to make this a discussion of ProTools vs. SFP.
I am asking this, because I recently stumbled upon http://www.ucapps.de and found the idea of building my own, purpose suited midicontroller very intriquing.
more has been done with less
https://soundcloud.com/at0m-studio
https://soundcloud.com/at0m-studio
yep, this is a BIG minus for scope also in my opinion, no 100% suitable controller available. i'd like to see a proprietary controller from creamware this time 
therefore you can even use a cheap behringer bcf2000 as a remote control...
for my needs, some motorized faders are fine. because all the parametric eq, dynamic settings etc. are more comfortable to set per mouse... i think it depends on what is your job. and if you're maybe an "old" analog junky who needs all functions on a huge desk speaking for myself, i don't
greez
roman
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therefore you can even use a cheap behringer bcf2000 as a remote control...for my needs, some motorized faders are fine. because all the parametric eq, dynamic settings etc. are more comfortable to set per mouse... i think it depends on what is your job. and if you're maybe an "old" analog junky who needs all functions on a huge desk
speaking for myself, i don't greez
roman
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=) I have a midicontroller already (old Roland mcr-8), and I have been making music for about ten years now using mostly mouse.
I have recently started to miss those old times I used to work on a studio with 16 channel inline desk.
I have been taking a little break of musicmaking, taking perspective of my way of doing things and thinking about my process. The conclusion is, that I have been lost a little in the gardens of unlimited options available on today's audio / midi software. I think I need to rework my working routines so that I have a rig that allows me to do things fast and intuitively. My idea is to use pulsar IO and computer along with analog console to build a setup that brings me the best of both worlds. I want to have the ability to mix with actual knobs and faders, and yet I want to have all the control a DAW can offer when I need it.
There is only one thing standing in between my dream and reality at the moment, and it's money. I do not have thousands to spend on this, not at the short term anyway.
So, the plan is to start with Pulsars, see how far I can get with the environment and fx, then start to build the outboard part of it. With a16's in place I'm well on my way already, since I do have a working environment with multitrack capability in recording and possibility to incorporate outboard gear in the process at any point I wish.
With mcr-8 I can even have partial hands-on control of the mixing process and synths.
I think I first get used with the system and start planning the custom midi controller part. The next money to be spent would propably be on some used but good quality outboard. Lexicon reverb (lxp-15 for example) and TC reverb (m-2000 or 5000 if I'm lucky) to name a few.
After them... Probably a decent mic pre.
This became a lot longer than I intended, but I couldn't help it. I am exited about this vision, and as many of you probably know, lecturing about this kind of plans at home usually generates a smile first, and after a while starts to turn towards financial issues. And when that happens, after a while the discussion is usually not related in studiotechnology anymore.. =)
I have recently started to miss those old times I used to work on a studio with 16 channel inline desk.
I have been taking a little break of musicmaking, taking perspective of my way of doing things and thinking about my process. The conclusion is, that I have been lost a little in the gardens of unlimited options available on today's audio / midi software. I think I need to rework my working routines so that I have a rig that allows me to do things fast and intuitively. My idea is to use pulsar IO and computer along with analog console to build a setup that brings me the best of both worlds. I want to have the ability to mix with actual knobs and faders, and yet I want to have all the control a DAW can offer when I need it.
There is only one thing standing in between my dream and reality at the moment, and it's money. I do not have thousands to spend on this, not at the short term anyway.
So, the plan is to start with Pulsars, see how far I can get with the environment and fx, then start to build the outboard part of it. With a16's in place I'm well on my way already, since I do have a working environment with multitrack capability in recording and possibility to incorporate outboard gear in the process at any point I wish.
With mcr-8 I can even have partial hands-on control of the mixing process and synths.
I think I first get used with the system and start planning the custom midi controller part. The next money to be spent would propably be on some used but good quality outboard. Lexicon reverb (lxp-15 for example) and TC reverb (m-2000 or 5000 if I'm lucky) to name a few.
After them... Probably a decent mic pre.
This became a lot longer than I intended, but I couldn't help it. I am exited about this vision, and as many of you probably know, lecturing about this kind of plans at home usually generates a smile first, and after a while starts to turn towards financial issues. And when that happens, after a while the discussion is usually not related in studiotechnology anymore.. =)