what do you think about the best plugin of scopeplatform?

pkzon2003 · Post by **pkzon2003** » Wed Aug 23, 2006 6:30 pm

thank you for many reponds

it's good for a biginer

bill3107 · Post by **bill3107** » Wed Aug 23, 2006 11:02 pm

i would say the rooting window itself !!!!!!! Man i cannot live without... but that's not a plug in...

Otherwise :
DYNATUBE is excellent for guitar amp simulation (you just have to enter with a good signal)
BIG MIXERS (24 and 48/96)
if you are looking for quite perfect emulations : PRODYSSEY (i must buy it again, 99€...) and B2003 for sure !
P100 from sonictimeworks for an excellent reverb

As i am rather audio/authentic sounds oriented i cannot speak to much about the flexor, zarg synth, etc...

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emzee · Post by **emzee** » Wed Aug 23, 2006 11:09 pm

I'm a Vdat fan. Add the multi-band parametric eq's (free) and I'm impressed already.

Post by **hubird** » Thu Aug 24, 2006 5:07 am

On 2006-08-24 00:02, bill3107 wrote:
DYNATUBE is excellent for guitar amp simulation

surprise!

suthnear · Post by **suthnear** » Thu Aug 24, 2006 10:12 am

I also think the best thing about scope is the platform itself.

As far as the extras go: flexor and p100

Leper · Post by **Leper** » Tue Sep 05, 2006 11:22 pm

BlueSynth

... oh and Modular

Nah, the whole damn thing sounds good. I have fun with every single device and effect.. from the old to the new.

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Tau · Post by **Tau** » Mon Sep 11, 2006 6:30 am

My top 3 pick:

SpaceF's Blackbox II - its got everything from Synths, to FX, to mixers and modules.

Modular III - essential, really

Pro-Wave - great sounding, flexible synthesizer

But I would't give up any other plugs

(though Optimaster seems to be getting replaced by Har-Bal...)

Post by **garyb** » Mon Sep 11, 2006 8:37 am

bx digital smokes har-bal(except for the nice graphic representation in har-bal)....

Tau · Post by **Tau** » Mon Sep 11, 2006 11:47 am

I have never tried the bx plug-in... I've been tempted, especially now with the price-drop, but never got round to it.
Har-Bal is quite unique in its visual oriented style, and, once you get familiar with the spectrum curves, it's a real time saver. The constant loudness filter is also a big plus, and something I wish more EQs had... Besides, the fact that Har-Bal hasn't been developed by "musicians", or big-name "music" developers (since the concept of harmonic balancing seems to apply to many other areas)gives it a certain "neutral", science-lab characteristic, that is refreshing these days everyone's claiming to have a "history" to their products, a "design" to their sounds... I think it can sound a bit too clinical (un-musical) sometimes, but it's just too easy to go in and start micro-eq-ing everything, messing it all up in no time. Baseline is: there's no replacement for critical listening, no matter what the names behind the tools are, only you can make sure it sounds good...

astroman · Post by **astroman** » Mon Sep 11, 2006 12:12 pm

slightly off-topic, but since you mention tools, names and products...
I've recently read a review by a die-hard audiophile about that Behringer graphical EQ which is supplied with a (room) measuring mic - selling usually between 100-200 on eBay...

Of course he said '...baahh it's a B' and of course the circuitry did spoil his precious signals (a tiny bit...) but then it sorted out a ton of room artifacts that made an improvement described between stunning and mindblowing

cheers, Tom

Eric Dahlberg · Post by **Eric Dahlberg** » Mon Sep 11, 2006 3:26 pm

On 2006-09-11 13:12, astroman wrote:
slightly off-topic, but since you mention tools, names and products...
I've recently read a review by a die-hard audiophile about that Behringer graphical EQ which is supplied with a (room) measuring mic - selling usually between 100-200 on eBay...

Of course he said '...baahh it's a B' and of course the circuitry did spoil his precious signals (a tiny bit...) but then it sorted out a ton of room artifacts that made an improvement described between stunning and mindblowing

cheers, Tom

That would be the Behringer DEQ-2496. It's great as an analysis tool but a different EQ should be used for doing the actual tuning. IOW, you can put audio into it, just don't pass audio through it.

Post by **garyb** » Mon Sep 11, 2006 9:37 pm

i like har-bal.

astroman · Post by **astroman** » Mon Sep 11, 2006 11:09 pm

the actual <a href=>review</a> was from jan 2001, about the UC Pro 8024 - interesting what gets to the surface when...

in the technical remarks near the end there's a paragraph that may explain the ...don't feed audio through it... experience

The Behringer processor needs to have a level of +21dbu rms. for digital full scale (about 8.7V). The true resolution of ADC chip in the analogue input is around 20Bit (the notional Bitrate is 24 Bit). This means if a normal Poweramp with fully opened level controls where used then for absolute clipping in the resolution from the converter would be barely 15 Bit, with an additional 20db attenuation less than 12 Bit. Now this would sound harsh and distorted as has been reported. Ergo, feed the Ultracurve Pro input with a lot of Level and you get good sound.

I know what he's talking about, having done the same with the master faders of my former digital mixer to adjust monitor levels once...

learning by doing, Tom

Tau · Post by **Tau** » Tue Sep 12, 2006 7:01 am

This behringer story is quite a good one... There's a lot to be learned when it comes to music, and most things you have to learn personnaly: reading reviews or discussing things here on Z can get you on your way, but to really gain knowlege and experience, you have to listen to the sound and work on it until you figure out what's happening, and what can be done about it - that's education, and you get to keep it even if you part with your gear

So, with the Behringer EQ, you have a lowish(?) quality equipment, which can nevertheless be used to solve problems and improve "immensely" the process of making music. This means that things get better, you learn why they did, so you can do it over and over again, and you still have change to take your girl out to a nice dinner and tell her all about it...
So, IMO, the tools that are clear and open, ie, you can tell what they do, and how they do it, are the best. Esoteric stuff that seems like it works through black magic ("press this button and your music will come to life") is not so educational, and usually a lot more expensive. Besides, all you learn is to press the button, and all you get is someone else's secret idea of a "killer sound"... I say first you learn how to deal with coarse stuff, and then you can move on to finer details, if it's really necessary.
I appreciate good informative user manuals, especially when they take on the whole music phenomenon. It's nice to know where the idea came from, what was tried before, and how it came to the production of this tool. And I really love it when developers actually take time to enlighten us users when there's something we can't figure out ourselves...
Long live SFP! And long live Planet Z, the Cream of SFP!

Much peace,

T

hifiboom · Post by **hifiboom** » Tue Sep 12, 2006 7:21 am

I think most Behringer gear is much underated for the price it costs....

Other gear also fails....

I have bought a REv2496 Pro unit for only 150€ and its a very good sounding and flexible dual reverb unit. You do not find anything in this price league neither hard- nor software. Quality wise it plays in the league absolut high class reverb units...

So I don`t know why all the people pull shit on Behringer.

I also have a mixer desk since 8 years and it just works fine...just one pan knob crackles at some time. For the fact that I never really switched the mixer of over ~3 years, it was very reliable...

The BCF and the other controller units are also cool ideas and very affordable.

and they are cheap, very cheap...

dawman · Post by **dawman** » Thu Sep 14, 2006 1:42 am

I tend to agree with hifiboom on Behringer. Only in the studio recording vocals or acoustic instruments is the quality of the mic pres and clarity of the ADA8000 noticable. Live, it is hardly discernable as EQ's and plugs can usually fix any shortcomings.
My favorite plug for SFP w/o a doubt is the gift from God himself, Solaris Modular 4.1 coming to a store near you soon. This is the most advanced versatile sounding synth ever created IMO, and SFP w/o it's presence, is an incomplete platform, period. My sacred Oberheims rest in peace due to it's continuos upgrading, and to it's existance. I suggest to any SFP guys when this is released that you buy it, as it is a real journey from begining to end with analog synthesis, an incredible semi modular creation that does the work of several Creamware made synths. It's sound has no equal in hardware, or software.

Warp69 · Post by **Warp69** » Thu Sep 14, 2006 3:02 am

On 2006-09-12 08:21, hifiboom wrote:
I have bought a REv2496 Pro unit for only 150€ and its a very good sounding and flexible dual reverb unit. You do not find anything in this price league neither hard- nor software. Quality wise it plays in the league absolut high class reverb units...

Nope - I have to disagree on this one. The REV2496 sounds good for the price, but it's far from "absolute high class" reverb units. First, it lacks spatial information (3d effect) and second, it lacks density. You can clearly hear the difference.

Cheers

CS · Post by CS » Thu Sep 14, 2006 3:12 am

I have bought a REv2496 Pro unit for only 150€ and its a very good sounding and flexible dual reverb unit. You do not find anything in this price league neither hard- nor software.

definitely agree with you on this point. This reverb is very cool, especially regarding its price.

cs.

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hifiboom · Post by **hifiboom** » Thu Sep 14, 2006 7:18 am

On 2006-09-14 04:02, Warp69 wrote:
On 2006-09-12 08:21, hifiboom wrote:
I have bought a REv2496 Pro unit for only 150€ and its a very good sounding and flexible dual reverb unit. You do not find anything in this price league neither hard- nor software. Quality wise it plays in the league absolut high class reverb units...
Nope - I have to disagree on this one. The REV2496 sounds good for the price, but it's far from "absolute high class" reverb units. First, it lacks spatial information (3d effect) and second, it lacks density. You can clearly hear the difference.

Cheers

I agree on the 3D spatial information. It could be slightly better, on the other hand the Behringer unit is very clean and detailed in the high area, where other reverbs only give you some kind of white noise. I won`t go into detail....
At the end for the price it is a very good sounding unit, and far away from crap, like many people keep telling about Behringer units. Sure if you willing to pay x000 $ for a reverb unit, this one may sound better (or just have an other mor suiting character).

But IMO there are many other mid-class reverbs that are much more expensive than the Behringer and have worse sound than this cheap unit.

So the price/quality value is really best with Behringer. And think about how many reverb boxes you get for 150 bucks from THE manufactures:

Lexicon gives you the MPX100 maybe, and thats what I call crap.

And btw: I`m not sure but I found density to be quite good. Only thing I did not like is the ER shaping with the bigger sized (Hall/Convert) algos
For example the inverse algo don`t differ much from the CSR inverse...

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