DAS RMX160 - good reverb

hifiboom · Post by **hifiboom** » Wed Aug 09, 2006 2:35 pm

Just got my new Scope cards today. (2x6DSP)

And as I am a reverb geek, I instantly tested the Masterverb Pro and RMX160 ...

From my tests that I did Masterverb (Pro) is good/okay.

But RMX160 is a very nice and I think better especially in the mix...

It`s very lush and ultra clean sounding... On dry solo sounds it can sound little ringy....
But this doesn`t affect a mix....

Some have said it is a rebacked Masterverb.
(Personally I don`t think so)
Bu if it is, its well done, because its sounds much better than the Creamware one...
(has a slightly other character)

It has a very special sound to my ears...(maybe its one of the best reverb plug-ins I`ve heard, I m not sure but CSR is also very good sounding, but slightly other character)

Still have to do some further testing...

But I am impressed and love it....
I think I`ll buy this one...

Keep going on, DAS!

And I got a special question about you`re plug-in:
who doesn`t the size parameter affect the sound, I don`t hear any big difference when changing it ...

yeah and a better GUI really would help...
And of course lower price... hahaha

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katano · Post by **katano** » Wed Aug 09, 2006 5:54 pm

i've tested the rmx160 for an hour this evening. i must say, i was impressed with the sound i got for my drum kit (total of 12 channels, all miked). especially for the snare i got a really nice sound, but also for the toms and the hats.

have to say that i always use 3 or 4 different reverbs on aux and add them to each channel individually till i get a good layered and transparent sound. someone in a big mastering studio told me, that this is like the pro's doing their reverb work, too... however, i'm not a pro, but if you could reach the sound you have in your mind, your job is done! ok, the mixed result with a masterverb pro, an a100, an p100 and the rmx sounds outstanding in my ears... and for the very first time, i'm pleased with the sound of my snare, thanx to rmx!

btw, i like the ringy sound, though you have to be careful with the settings and don't push it to hard, except you like the effect you'll get then...

conclusion: it's definitively not a masterverb with a new gui, it offers loads of new possibilities and sounds different to all other verbs i tested on sfp. i think it's a must for everyone. i cannot say if it sounds like the hardware, because i don't have it, but nevertheless, it's worth the price. i do also like the gui with the one-knob control and got used to it very fast. quality-wise i would say that the stw a100/p100 are better, but the rmx160 fills the empty space between the masterverb series and the stw verbs with it's unique sound.

last but not least:
@DAS: do you have a preset file for us with a few starting presets for different applications/instruments? would be very nice and usefull!!

keep going the good work!
Roman

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hifiboom · Post by **hifiboom** » Wed Aug 09, 2006 6:19 pm

I have to say, that the overall tweakability on this thing seems a little bit restricted....

I think some most parameters that affect sound is the DampingEQ and the Time parameter.
Size doesn`t do much at all....
at least I cannot hear any difference.

So no, I don`t need any presets for such a limited plug.

But as the overall sound is just very good. Why tweak 80 knobs if it sounds good with only 4 real parameters?

Its a nice vintage reverb. Something totally other than the P100, which sounds more artificial and dense....

The RMX has a nice realistic "wet" sound.

astroman · Post by **astroman** » Thu Aug 10, 2006 12:48 am

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Shroomz~> · Post by **Shroomz~>** » Thu Aug 10, 2006 1:07 am

hifiboom, the 'size' parameter DOES indeed work, as I tested the verb for a good couple of hours on headphones. Fire single snare hits or something similar (a percussion hit of some sort) through it & you should definately hear the size param changing the virtual room size in a subtle manner. When I tested it on a whole mix or a drum mix it's not quite as noticeable, but it definately works properly & isn't as 'in your face' as a reverb with a denser room size effect.

I'm glad you guys like it after I stuck my neck on the gallows on tom's thread and said I thought it could sound really good!! Like Katano, I think it's got a place beside our other reverbs, but I do wish each parameter was on it's own knob or slider. I'd also like to see the eq stage with a midi controlable knob or slider for each band.

hifiboom · Post by **hifiboom** » Thu Aug 10, 2006 11:00 am

@astroman:

of course the word clean is a very wide spreading description....

I think this reverb handles the high frequencies slighty other... and in the mix you ll get a nice feeling of space...
Other reverbs may sound dmoother but in a mix they will sound more artificial....

Have you tried the reverb in a mix..?

I think it is a nice addition to the my arsenal...

By the way, as I am a new scope use: the synths (Pro-12, Prodyssey and Minimax) soud very good.
Can`t compare them with the VSTi segment. They sound very hardware like.

Nice: they have power and just sit in the mix....

I think I`ll stay with my 2 Pulsar II boards although the 12 DSPs are not much power...

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astroman · Post by **astroman** » Fri Aug 11, 2006 3:37 pm

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hifiboom · Post by **hifiboom** » Fri Aug 11, 2006 5:27 pm

yeah,

you are right.... I also don`t think it doesn`t sound like the real unit at all.

I don`t own those expesive units(10000€ reverbs and ultra expensive EQs), so I don`t care...

I understand what you mean
If it is an emulation it should sound nearly like the real thing or come at least close.

The Pro-12 will not 100% sound like a real Prophet, but it comes very very close. lets say ( 99%)
And thats the case.

If I compare the VST_1084URS with the DAS_N1084, I think the N1084 sounds better, on the other hand I think the Creamware PEQ4S can get nearly the same kind of soundquality. (I don`t know if its the same atoms behind),
so did they model the analog structures or just the design of the EQ (low shelf, high shelf,...and how much gain)

So do I need a new EQ for 100€ just to be little more flexible...
I don`t think so.

But I am thinking about the reverb.

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astroman · Post by **astroman** » Fri Aug 11, 2006 7:01 pm

On 2006-08-11 18:27, hifiboom wrote:
...If it is an emulation it should sound nearly like the real thing or come at least close.
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which it in fact does (imho, as far as I can tell from audio examples) when the demo works as intended.
Since noone complained about the release version, it was most likely a more or less isolated case (or restricted to very specific circumstances).

Since the definition of 'atoms' includes the most basic math operations, there is a wide range of solutions possible.
I try to avoid eqs as much as possible and select an appropriate sound source instead.
ISON's 0.5 Q factor was the main reason I bought it as an addition to the stock devices.

But (as frequently mentioned) it all depends on sound source and subject of the mix, or what's intended with it.
As I'm not a commercial producer I can afford to ignore efficiency of workflow and don't have to fulfill a client's expectations

cheers, Tom

digitalaudiosoft · Post by **digitalaudiosoft** » Fri Aug 11, 2006 11:20 pm

http://www.planetz.com/forums/viewtopic ... 0&start=60

On 2006-05-15 07:32, musurgio wrote:
Hi,
I tried the 1084Eq and 550Eq , they really are a class of their own.
They give a certain quality ,other sound, to anything thru them.
I really like those !!
The reverb is astounding tyoo.
It reminds the AMS-16 that was used for drums a lot !
Thanks for your effort guys !!!
Regards,
Dimitrios

hi,

thanks for your good feeling about our plugs like all our clients.

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MCCY · Post by **MCCY** » Sat Aug 12, 2006 12:51 am

Some days ago I did some testing with the 160 again (as I said in the other thread, I tested the other plugs, but not very much the 160). My impression was, that it is the best plug from DAS and that if bought it I would use it. (btw. To clear it up: I never said abouth the rmx160, that it was simple packed ready to use creamware modules or a repacked masterverb. You simply don't have these algos in the developement kit.).

It gives some nice sounding reverb-flavours that the other verbs don't have. So you get a very good piece of audio gear for a very good price!

Just wanted to complete my comments on DAS-devices with the positive RMX160-impressions.

Birthdaychild Martin

digitalaudiosoft · Post by **digitalaudiosoft** » Sat Aug 12, 2006 2:50 am

On 2006-08-12 01:51, MCCYRANO wrote:

I stay with my opinion about the EQs (the compressor is too obvious to comment) and I find it funny, that not too many sound freaks found out, that they are simply some creamware eqs under a very nice surface. As I said: They are worth their money, cause the surface counts, when you have clients in your studio and it's nice to work with nice looking devices.

here is a good beginning for all who don't hear any diffences between polteq vs sl9000 vs cw...

http://www.planetz.com/forums/viewtopic ... tart=20&39

On 2006-05-12 07:49, voidar wrote:

I seem to get this strange table up at first when loading it though. Some sort of EQ.

it was due to a bug in our scope dp in this first sl9000 master comp demo.

all our plug as this "colour sytem".

it's the reason why some of you can heard diferences between sl9000 or polteq for example

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MCCY · Post by **MCCY** » Sat Aug 12, 2006 3:24 am

MCCY · Post by **MCCY** » Sat Aug 12, 2006 7:01 am

astroman · Post by **astroman** » Sat Aug 12, 2006 8:29 am

happy birthday, Martin

hifiboom · Post by **hifiboom** » Sat Aug 12, 2006 9:06 am

On 2006-08-12 01:51, MCCYRANO wrote:
Some days ago I did some testing with the 160 again (as I said in the other thread, I tested the other plugs, but not very much the 160). My impression was, that it is the best plug from DAS and that if bought it I would use it. (btw. To clear it up: I never said abouth the rmx160, that it was simple packed ready to use creamware modules or a repacked masterverb. You simply don't have these algos in the developement kit.).

It gives some nice sounding reverb-flavours that the other verbs don't have. So you get a very good piece of audio gear for a very good price!

I stay with my opinion about the EQs (the compressor is too obvious to comment) and I find it funny, that not too many sound freaks found out, that they are simply some creamware eqs under a very nice surface. As I said: They are worth their money, cause the surface counts, when you have clients in your studio and it's nice to work with nice looking devices.

Just wanted to complete my comments on DAS-devices with the positive RMX160-impressions.

Birthdaychild Martin

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Hi Martin,

I'm having the same opinions you do have....

I think the reverb is very good and something new for the Scope platform. I think I`ll go out and by this one...

The EQs are nothing new from soundcharacter, they have the same good soundquality that the PEQ4 has but you can work more like with Neve/SSL/.. tools because you have the exact values...

the n1084 seems to have a max of 18dB Gain, PEQ4S is 12dB max and I also really like the look, but I see now need to buy them for the price...

But if I use two bands(one with 12db and one with 6db) as one with PEQ4 I can achieve the same sound that the 1084 has...

There is no need for a Creamware user to buy any other EQ I think, because the stock EQ are just of highest qaulity . They are better than waves, etc. and many native ones...

I think there is not much difference between all those EQs neither native nor TDM nor Powercore EQs (Sony OxFord)...
I don`t know why people rush out and buy Powercore. I think its nothing special that will improve your mix...
(okay the powercore reverbs seem to be very good. Sys6000)

Doesn`t matter which EQ you have(if its a good one)
If you tweak them right you get the result with every better one....

If the Eqs were 39€, I eventually would go out and buy them just because of there look and slighty changed values and parameters.

But the reverb seems to be a good deal...

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